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Details would be needed to find out what is wrong with your system. The programs that you run, which action you do exactly that makes them crash, the log from the LogTool and all that. “I don't know what's causing the freezes” – we also not. We do not even see your computer. So details will help. Many users are using MorphOS regularly and for hours. Music, graphics, text, internet (Wayfarer, Iris), calender (Poly Orga) and many many more. I often can run the compouter all day without a single reboot. Otherwise I would not use it. And I use most of the programs that are on the CD and many many more from Aminet and MorphOS Storage.

Did you start with a fresh MorphOS install on the G5? Because you mentioned that you also connected an old disk to it. Maybe the problems come from there.

I don’t game, but I think others are doing it and it does not freeze for everyone. I propose you only use one title at a time and see if the system behaves stable. If it crashes then you know which program or game crashes. Then you can answer the first of the questions from above here.

Also for applications, tools. Firest, only use the ones from the CD, no external software. The ones on the CD must be stable.

If that is stable then check out system friendly software from Aminet or MorphOS Storage. Start only one at a time and use it for the half hour that you have. Maybe repeat it next time after you rebooted. Many of us are using the programs and they do not crash al lthe time. So there might be something odd in your system. Maybe also the RAM. Did you check it is correct? Or do you have other modules to try? OR did you use the system with MacOS? Is it stable there? If you boot from the CD and run all the programs that are on the CD only, does it also freeze? Where exactly?

The error sending report works, so this more speaks that something is very odd with your system.

Many more questions to answer next to the unanswered from above 😊

THen we can hopefully help you.

have you installed tiny gl from morphos storage
morphos 3.19 has not the last tinygl

Thanks everyone for the replies

I'll try to answer all questions

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I used to use this G5 mac with Mac 10.5.8 and I played several games on it
including Doom3 and it worked perfectly
There were no freezes and no problems with speed!
I wouldn't dare try Doom3 on MorphOs
Among the ported games, for example, I tried a game called Speed ​​Dreams, which stutters so much that it's impossible to play.
That's why I asked why they port games that can't even be played on this system
a game of this caliber can easily be played on this machine under MacOs!
I download all applications from the official site https://www.morphos-storage.net
The system has the option to enable double and triple buffering, which is active for me
I don't know if this is harmful when running games
I know that normally this option should give me smoother gameplay, but I read somewhere that it can cause problems with MOS systems.
SDL games are horribly unstable anyway
Most of them can't even be set to normal fullscreen mode
or the image is displayed incorrectly
there are 2ds SDL games that have simple graphics and still stutter
When I use the system more I will be able to write more about the bugs but unfortunately I am starting to lose interest in it
I used to love my power Amiga and Workbench, everything was so much simpler there
:(
I installed everything
SDL,TinyGL etc. I don't know what else I can do to make it work normally?

> I wouldn't dare try Doom3 on MorphOs

To me it looks quite good on a 2.5 GHz G5 with Radeon X1950 (#23).

> the official site https://www.morphos-storage.net

Just to prevent some current or future misunderstanding: To my knowledge, MorphOS-Storage is in no way affiliated with the MorphOS Team. From the MorphOS Team's point of view, there's likely nothing "official" about the MorphOS-Storage website.

> The system has the option to enable double and triple buffering,
> which is active for me
> I don't know if this is harmful when running games
> I know that normally this option should give me smoother gameplay

I'm not sure this system option affects games running in fullscreen mode for better or worse as they probably use their own buffering code.

> Most of them can't even be set to normal fullscreen mode

<ALT>+<ENTER> or <CTRL>+<F> might work for SDL games, depending on the specific port.

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Thank you

I have a positive experience too
I found the MOS version of a game called Keen
I played this game a lot as a kid and it was a pleasure to play it again
Luckily it didn't freeze and it works fine with the X-Box controller
I would like to revive some Amiga games
I don't know how successful it will be?
Shogo used to run flawlessly on my pegasos2!
Back then I was using the free morphOS 1.4 system
I used to play it for hours without freezing!
What is very interesting to me is that the pegasos2 seemed much faster than the current G5! However, this is impossible because there is a big difference between the G4 and G5 processors
Maybe it's because MorphOS was originally the Pegasos computer system?
Unfortunately I don't have much time to test games, but maybe I'll manage to try out a few Amiga games this weekend. :)

> the pegasos2 seemed much faster than the current G5! [...]
> Maybe it's because MorphOS was originally the Pegasos computer system?

My experience is different from yours. While I never owned a Pegasos 2, both my two upgrades from 0.6 GHz Pegasos 1 G3 to 1.5 GHz Mac mini G4 to 2.3 GHz PowerMac G5 felt like performance improvements in every regard, also confirmed by benchmark results.

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However, the pegasos2 is a much faster machine than the pegasos1
Comparing the Mac to the pegasos2, the performance difference wouldn't be that big.
If I could find someone who could fix my Pegasos2, I would be happy to use it again
The house it was in looked nice

> the pegasos2 is a much faster machine than the pegasos1

If it's a G4 one, yes. A G3 one, i.e. with the very same CPU, should be only slightly faster due to the one third faster FSB.

> Comparing the Mac to the pegasos2, the performance difference
> wouldn't be that big.

The mystery is why going from 1.4 GHz G4 to 2.3 GHz G5 felt like a performance improvement to me, but going from 1.0 GHz G4 to 2.x GHz G5 feels like a performance degradation to you.

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This is really a mystery
I'll test some games that I often play on my Pegasos2
But there is one already
A game called neverball and it also ran faster on my pegasos2 machine
Now the image is not as smooth, the image is a bit choppy
However, I just took apart my recently purchased Radeon card
And its cooler was a bit dusty but what is even bigger problem is that the thermal paste was completely dried out

[ Edited by Krisz 25.04.2025 - 20:19 ]

OK. So - if I understand you well - these "numerous games running slower on G5 than on Pegasos" are:

1. Speed Dreams
2. Shogo
3. Neverball

I'll test them out for you as I promised and I will share the results here.

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Speed ​​Dreams hadn't been released for MorphOS yet when I was using my pegasos2 machine.
It's terribly slow on the G5, maybe I'll make a video about it and share it
What's funny is that even simpler games don't run without lag
e.g. one of my favorites is SuperTux. There are micro-lags while playing and there is another game with even simpler graphics and it is so slow that I don't understand how this can be on a machine with a G5 processor
However, under MacOS, this machine also ran games with more demanding graphics good speed

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Interesting, as the port is 12 years old now.


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I'd love to see that.
In the meantime - look at my video about it.

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When I bought my pegasos2, MorpOS 1.4 was the latest and Speed ​​Dreams for MOS didn't exist yet

The shared video clearly shows that it runs faster than on my computer, but it's not normal speed either.
Now that I have more time to deal with the computer, the system has already frozen 4 times and only the power button helped.
Hurricane 1.0 freezes almost every time I exit

Today I found Hurricane 1.1 and it might work fine, but this version has a bug in the Xbox controller handling
When I press the "A" button, it always goes to the game menu, and I set that button to jump.
I tried setting the shooting option to the A button on the controller, but it still exits the game to the menu.
I'll keep trying to see if I can figure out why it's doing this.

> if I understand you well - these "numerous games running
> slower on G5 than on Pegasos" are: […] Shogo […]
> I'll test them out for you

Shogo is a Warp3D game so needs Radeon R100/R200 to run, which wouldn't be easy on a PCIe-based PowerMac11,2 I guess. Shogo may work with Wazp3D (some tried and failed), but comparison would be flawed then as it ran through Goa3D on the Pegasos II.
If Krisz really managed to run Shogo on his G5, then it would be interesting to know how exactly.

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So these were the pre-2.0 times (before 2008). Yet, you remember well that the games you're writing about all the time did run faster on it?
Did you make the list for me to try already (apart from Speed Dreams, Shogo and Neverball?)

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Then define "normal speed" - in FPS, preferably.

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There was some misunderstanding here
I played Shogo on my Pegasos2 with MorphOS version 1.4
I just installed some Amiga games but none of them will run.
Shogo and Wipeout both complain about the lack of warp3d.library and the Rave driver, but they are in the libs directory.

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Well them being there means nothing if you don't have the right HW to run them (which would be r300 or below).

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So what should I do to get it to work?
It was mentioned here on the forum that there is already a patch for some Amiga games like Wipeout that allows them to run on MorphOS
I downloaded the patch for Wipeout but it still gives the same error.
Actually, MorpOS doesn't give me anything, because if I download the UAE emulator, Amiga games will work on it, and as far as I know, UAE already supports the PPC processor.
It seems I was unnecessarily bothering with the G5
I thought games would work the same on it as they did on the pegasos2
Wipeout, Shogo, etc. ran without any problems on Pegasos2.
Or maybe this problem will be solved later?
Wazp3d?

[ Edited by Krisz 26.04.2025 - 16:04 ]

Well if those older games are your priority you could have just used the advice given at the start of this thread.

Upgrade your PowerMac G4 with an Radeon9000 (genuine Apple if you don't plan to open another can of worms).

>> Shogo is a Warp3D game so needs Radeon R100/R200 to run

> Shogo and Wipeout both complain about the lack of warp3d.library
> and the Rave driver, but they are in the libs directory.

This won't help. See what you just replied to. You use a Radeon R(V)5xx card, don't you?

> the right HW to run them (which would be r300 or below)

More like R200 or below.

> what should I do to get it to work?

Warp3D games on MorphOS require Goa3D, which is best met with a Radeon R(V)2xx GPU. There may be kludgy ways to somehow make such AGP/PCI cards work in a PowerMac G5 (in AGP/PCI(-X) models maybe doable, in PCIe models maybe doable with the right adapter), but a G4 Mac would be the way to go.

> I downloaded the patch for Wipeout but it still gives the same error.

That's because the patch cannot change your GPU.

> I thought games would work the same on it as they did on the pegasos2
> Wipeout, Shogo, etc. ran without any problems on Pegasos2.

With Warp3D games, it's all about the correct GPU generation (unless they work with Wazp3D, that is). Pegasos II users with R(V)3xx GPU (e.g. Radeon 9800) faced the same problem, btw.

> maybe this problem will be solved later? Wazp3d?

Wazp3D exists and is always worth a shot, especially in TinyGL rendering mode. For the future, there's been TinyRave announced (see comment #114).

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Really pleased you got this and you have networking sorted :)

Thank you everyone and sorry for causing so much trouble
I had an Amiga and a Pegasos2 over 10 years ago.
I had already forgotten everything and the situation was different then because my power amiga had a mediator card and a voodoo video card and a sound card and with that configuration all games worked
The current situation is completely different and I didn't expect this.
I can't do anything but wait patiently to see if there really will be a TinyRave version and maybe Amiga games will be usable.
The only question is why MorphOS freezes so often
and why some games don't handle the xbox controller properly
Has anyone tried the game called Hurrikan version 1.1
the xbox controller is also malfunctioning on others

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Hurrican 1.1 is a SDL2 game , so XBox controller is fully supported.
Have you install SDL2 package completly ? https://www.morphos-storage.net/?id=2325013
You can test your XBox gamepad with program included (extras/testgamecontroller) if not detected, your can create mapping for SDL2, use "controllermap" program.