Worked instantly, it was the only card i had so it was very fingers crossed, I had noticed that the chip was supported though so i had high hopes.

Just make sure it is a Revision 2 card because they changed the chip a few times, the one i linked seems to be that card, you can see the revision on the card and almost make out the RealTek logo.

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Thanks

I hope I'll be lucky then
I'll order it and hopefully it will arrive here in a few days :)

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Thanks for the advice
The card arrived today and works

The internet is finally working, but there are some problems
I downloaded and installed the latest SDL package
However, several games are message missing the powersdl.library etc. I solved this by manually copying them to the Morphos/Libs directory
I don't understand why the installer didn't do this?
Some games are so slow they are unplayable
I don't understand what kind of machine you need to run games at normal speed?
For example, the game Speed ​​Dream is so choppy that it's impossible to play at all.
System freezes are very common and can only be resolved by turning the machine off and on.
SDl based games have the most problems
this was already the case back then but I thought they had fixed it since then
either the system freezes on startup or the graphics are displayed incorrectly
unfortunately I have no idea why
The image shows the faulty graphics in one of the games.

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Error message

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[ Edited by Krisz 23.04.2025 - 14:47 ]

with the update tiny gl some games d'ont work correctly
frogato work with morphos 3.15 not after
they certainly change later for some games

PowerSDL is an implemation of an older SDL not compatible with the current SDL 3.

Games compiled for that older API still need the library. If you just copied the library you might be missing other bits, better download the powersdl archive and run it’s installer.

Thanks for the replies
I'll try it tomorrow
Unfortunately, as I see, Morphos is quite unstable
There are many compatibility errors
Newer releases of SDL etc. should be written in a way that is backwards compatible
So games that work well now may not work in the future
The thought of registering MOS makes me very uneasy
Especially since it's not cheap
I think I'll wait for the next version of MOS and if compatibility improves then I'll consider registering this.
Until then, I'll just have to restart every half hour
but in most cases I don't even have to wait half an hour because the system freezes in the meantime if it encounters a small error
I don't want to criticize, but it's a system that isn't free, developers should pay more attention to it.

You are using a different MorphOS than me.
MorphOS is usually very solid.

have you intall chrisalys first from papiosaur
you certainly know easinstall too
i have no errors with morphos 3.19
but i update all
the rare only errors are youtube with wayfarer
and somes games old

Newer SDL can easily coexist with older ones and as these are normally link libraries or DLLs there is simply no real need to keep backwards compatibility.

I installed everything except chrisalys
I'll install that tomorrow and see if there's any change
For some reason, games are running slowly or incorrectly for me :(
I'm sure I'm doing something wrong.

> Newer releases of SDL [...] should be written in a way
> that is backwards compatible

That's not even the case on mainstream platforms, so how should it on MorphOS?

"SDL 2.0 [...] was a major departure from previous versions, [...] breaking backwards-compatibility [...]. [...] SDL 2.0 is a major update to the SDL 1.2 codebase with a different, not backwards-compatible API."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_DirectMedia_Layer

> So games that work well now may not work in the future

As Kronos wrote, games that use SDL1 use exactly that and simply ignore newer installed versions, and vice versa for games that use SDL2/SDL3.

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And it is not possible to solve this by copying the older SDL version to the directory containing the game the older games and using an assign command so that the game uses the SDL package that was copied to its own directory?
I used to do this on an Amiga, but it was a long time ago and I almost forgot everything.

>> games that use SDL1 use exactly that and simply ignore newer
>> installed versions, and vice versa for games that use SDL2/SDL3.

> And it is not possible to solve this

Honestly, I don't see the problem that needs solving here.

> by copying the older SDL version to the directory containing the
> game the older games and using an assign command so that the
> game uses the SDL package that was copied to its own directory?

Why would you want to perform any such acrobatics when you can simply install old and new SDL in parallel (they don't share any file names, after all) and each game simply picks the version it needs?

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I thought that installing the new SDL would overwrite the old one.
then I will install all versions

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Which installer exactly? The games usually don’t have installers. You install powersdl and the libraries once and then all programs who can use them.
SDL programs and games are slow in general and most of them are ports from other platforms, maybe only very few progrms just written for MorphOS. On the other platforms they have much better hardware and there they run at good speed. But we only have these old G4 and G5 (or even slower), so they can’t run fast like on current Intel or AMD. PowerMacs are retro hardware, don’t forget that.

What exactly freezes? Which programs freeze? I experience MorphOS quite stable, at least for an OS without memory protection. I often use it with many programs for many hours without reboot. What you wrote is your experience is based on games only, right? Or do you have any programs that are unstable? If you find errors you can always write the authors and describe your problems. Then they can fix them.

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What exactly do you do that it gets unstable? Which programs do you run? Which errors did you find?

Do you only use MorphOS for playing games?

It’s not cheap but you get a lot for it. You get free updates for years. For example if you registered ten years ago you still get all updates for free. That’s 7 EUR 90 per year. Not much I would say. And even less money if you use it longer. For me the price is very fair. See how much some programs cost on other platforms: 79 EUR for just one year and you have to buy an abonnement if you want more updates.

Which compatibility do you wait for improve?

Best chance is if you clearly say what the system does wrong in your view, where it has errors so the devs know them and can fix them. There is also this error report tab in the About window where you can send bugs to the MorphOS team (of couse only bugs from the software on the CD, not from third parties like SDL or so).

And I want to warn before installing Chrysalis. It installs a lot of things that you don’t know you have on your harddrive later. Many software that you maybe not even want. This fills it up and they can also lead to incompatibilities. Then you think it is MorphOS’s fault but in gfact it is another program or library that is the reason for the error.

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Then you would also have the same libraries many times on your disk but you need it only once. Or worse: you have it it many places with different versions and you THINK you have the right one installed but it depends on the version that causes the trouble.

> I thought that installing the new SDL would overwrite the old one.

That worry is what Kronos meant to address in comment #139 ("can easily coexist"), I guess ;-)

So far I've only tried games and had a lot of problems with them
e.g. today I played a game called Hurrican for a few minutes and after I quit it the system froze so I couldn't do anything except turn the computer off and back on
Only tinygl and sdl are installed
I don't know what's causing the freezes
The browser also froze today for no reason
I'm aware that it's old hardware, but I don't understand why they port games that no one will be able to use because they run slowly.
The registration fee wouldn't be expensive if the system worked properly
I don't think it's just me who has freeze and it works perfectly for everyone else!
Moreover, this is the third machine I've used MOSt on. My very first machine was a Pegasos2 which ran games pretty well at the time, but there were also freezes.
Sending an error message to the developers is impossible because the system completely freezes
there are times when the mouse pointer moves but doesn't respond to anything no matter how much I click on it
I am also aware that the MorphOS team does not have the same financial support as Win or MacOS!
so it is natural that the possibility of errors is greater than on other systems
I don't want to blame MOS, I just want to find a solution that would reduce the freezes and allow me to play older games without any problems sometimes.

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Challenge accepted. Name your titles.

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Details would be needed to find out what is wrong with your system. The programs that you run, which action you do exactly that makes them crash, the log from the LogTool and all that. “I don't know what's causing the freezes” – we also not. We do not even see your computer. So details will help. Many users are using MorphOS regularly and for hours. Music, graphics, text, internet (Wayfarer, Iris), calender (Poly Orga) and many many more. I often can run the compouter all day without a single reboot. Otherwise I would not use it. And I use most of the programs that are on the CD and many many more from Aminet and MorphOS Storage.

Did you start with a fresh MorphOS install on the G5? Because you mentioned that you also connected an old disk to it. Maybe the problems come from there.

I don’t game, but I think others are doing it and it does not freeze for everyone. I propose you only use one title at a time and see if the system behaves stable. If it crashes then you know which program or game crashes. Then you can answer the first of the questions from above here.

Also for applications, tools. Firest, only use the ones from the CD, no external software. The ones on the CD must be stable.

If that is stable then check out system friendly software from Aminet or MorphOS Storage. Start only one at a time and use it for the half hour that you have. Maybe repeat it next time after you rebooted. Many of us are using the programs and they do not crash al lthe time. So there might be something odd in your system. Maybe also the RAM. Did you check it is correct? Or do you have other modules to try? OR did you use the system with MacOS? Is it stable there? If you boot from the CD and run all the programs that are on the CD only, does it also freeze? Where exactly?

The error sending report works, so this more speaks that something is very odd with your system.

Many more questions to answer next to the unanswered from above 😊

THen we can hopefully help you.

have you installed tiny gl from morphos storage
morphos 3.19 has not the last tinygl

Thanks everyone for the replies

I'll try to answer all questions

so

I used to use this G5 mac with Mac 10.5.8 and I played several games on it
including Doom3 and it worked perfectly
There were no freezes and no problems with speed!
I wouldn't dare try Doom3 on MorphOs
Among the ported games, for example, I tried a game called Speed ​​Dreams, which stutters so much that it's impossible to play.
That's why I asked why they port games that can't even be played on this system
a game of this caliber can easily be played on this machine under MacOs!
I download all applications from the official site https://www.morphos-storage.net
The system has the option to enable double and triple buffering, which is active for me
I don't know if this is harmful when running games
I know that normally this option should give me smoother gameplay, but I read somewhere that it can cause problems with MOS systems.
SDL games are horribly unstable anyway
Most of them can't even be set to normal fullscreen mode
or the image is displayed incorrectly
there are 2ds SDL games that have simple graphics and still stutter
When I use the system more I will be able to write more about the bugs but unfortunately I am starting to lose interest in it
I used to love my power Amiga and Workbench, everything was so much simpler there
:(
I installed everything
SDL,TinyGL etc. I don't know what else I can do to make it work normally?