Hello all

I need a graphics card that is compatible with AmigaOS 4.1 and Morphos 3.19 because on Morphos I usually get "Out Of Range" in several games and emulators.I want to play with MAME,Doom 3 (that it doesn't show well the graphics with my graphics card) and more emulators that I have and of course lots of games such Napalm,VirtualGP2 and TORCS.

Apart of this I want to know if it is advisable to buy and install a 500W PSU as my tower has a lower watts one and it has a problem that it has to be pressed twice to power on the Amiga.That is a bit annoying.

My Amiga is an AmigaOne X5000 and my graphics card is an ATI Radeon 5450 HD.

What gfx card is suitable to use not only Morphos and AmigaOS 4.1 but Fienix too?

I had this idea since some years now,

Thank you and recommend me something OK?

At least in terms of 3D-supported PCIe cards, there's no GPU generation overlap between MorphOS/Linux and OS4:
- MorphOS: R500 (and TeraScale2 (R800 and R900 minus RV970) with ninth beta TinyGL)
- Linux: R500, TeraScale1 (R600/R700), TeraScale2 (R800 and R900 minus RV970), TeraScale3 (RV970)
- OS4: GCN1, GCN4

So for <OS4> AND (<MorphOS> OR <Linux>), you'd need to have 2 graphics cards in your X5000:

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2023-01-00051-EN.html
https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?t=4317


Edit: corrected 2nd link

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 17.02.2025 - 13:51 ]

I mean is there a triple boot or at least Morphos/AmigaOS compatible graphics card that can show and run OK all the games and emulators on Morphos+AmigaOS?

I want a triple boot,3D hardware acceleration Radeon card that can boot and run software like games or emulators in AmigaOS 4.1,Morphos 3.19 and Fienix.

I readed the AmigaNews.de guide that is very intreresting but a bit complex in my opinion,at least for me.

Can someone recommend me a great or good graphics card for my X5000? To run the three operating systems and specially Morphos without black fullscreen problems.

Will read the hardware compatibility list later.And the Hyperion site too.

[ Edited by bearerofthetorch 14.02.2025 - 14:54 ]

> I want a triple boot,3D hardwarre acceleration Radeon
> card that can boot and run software like games or
> emulators in AmigaOS 4.1,Morphos 3.19 and Fienix.

I thought I explained it well in easy enough terms. Seems I didn't. So another try:
There is no such card that does what you want. There is for MorphOS and Linux, but as soon as OS4 comes into play, the amount of cards that do what you want turns to 0, zero, nil, zilch, nought. That's why the guide on amiganews.de was written in the first place, not because it would be fun to have 2 graphics cards in the system just for the sake of it.

@bearerofthetorche:
as Andreas said, it is impossible to have one card with 3D acceleration on MorphOS, AmigaOS and linux.

look here:
AmigaNG – kompatabilita HW s AmigaOS, MorphOS a linux ( Czech )
Amiga NG - compatibilité matérielle avec AmigaOS 4, MorphOS et Linux ( French )

Abov are articles about hw compatibility. It explains why you need more cards. Use google translate.

If you really want only one graphics card, it is possible, but you shoud resign to 3D ( even on 2D ) on some systems.
Here is article about Sam460LE ( Czech), see paragraph 4 with graphics cards options.
For X5000 I am not recommend one card solution. Second card fit here. I also have in my Powermac G5 an AmigaOne X1000 two graphics cards.

[ Edited by sailor 13.02.2025 - 19:58 ]

X5K will need two cards as noted by others.

Thanks to Skateman who runs OS 4, MorphOS, and Linux on his X5K, he offered me many tips on how to get my X5K to dual boot.

I have yet to boot linux too but really no interest in that at the moment since I run Ubuntu from a PC next to it.

For my last video I made showing my X5K in a Dual Boot setuo, you may want to check this out.

TJ

https://youtu.be/xli0F-cIa6k

[ Edited by amigasociety 13.02.2025 - 10:58 ]

> AmigaNG – kompatabilita HW s AmigaOS, MorphOS a linux ( Czech )
> Amiga NG - compatibilité matérielle avec AmigaOS 4, MorphOS et Linux ( French )

Your MorphOS graphics system diagram has some severe flaws:
- the "RAVE" field must be changed to "CyberGraphX" (or "CGX")
- "RAVE" must be another field with an arrow to "CGX"
- the "GOA" arrow must go to "RAVE", not to "TinyGL"
- "R100" and "R200" must be moved from "GOA" to "RAVE"
- "R100" must be deleted from "TinyGL"
- another "TinyGL (old)" field may be created with an arrow to "RAVE"

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You probably noticed the phrase "based on read.me and wiki without deep knowledge" in diagram.
MorphOS documentation is not too verbose about graphics system.
I would very much appreciate it if you could fix the graph and put it for example to wiki or libraryand I can use it.

> You probably noticed the phrase "based on read.me
> and wiki without deep knowledge" in diagram.

Indeed, I did. You may see my hints as an attempt to deepen that knowledge :-)

> I would very much appreciate it if you could fix the graph
> and put it for example to wiki or libraryand I can use it.

Sorry, won't do. I think the author of the Amiga3dapi.svg on Wikipedia is aware of its flaws, seeing as he corrected some of them after I reported them (#7), but interestingly only some of the AROS/AmigaOS-related ones and none of the MorphOS-related ones. I won't speculate as to the author's motive of keeping all MorphOS-related flaws in the diagram, though. Now that you are aware of the flaws in yours, you may decide to act on it or leave it as it is. It's your choice and responsibility. I think I did my "duty", and I'm very much aware that we probably won't agree on this ;-)

Oh, I always liked men who are aware of their duties.

And can you at least recommend me some links to documentation that I can use as source to correct the points?

> can you at least recommend me some links to documentation
> that I can use as source to correct the points?

Sorry, no real documentation that I know of. The MorphOS Wikipedia page you linked to mentions CyberGraphX as the (2D) graphics interface. For the rest of my points, a quick search reveals:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=49&topic_id=9256&start=4 (#5, #9)
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=16&topic_id=12796&start=30 (#31)

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Thanks sailor for the links,but Iin reality they are on Chech and French and I cannot translate. well.

I only want now as people here say is impossible to use one card for the 3 systems (Fienix,AmigaOS 4.1 and Morphos 3.19) to add 1 or 2 cards to run all the systems and specially Morphos without "Out Of Range" on signal on my monitor.Specially to play MAME,Turbografx emulator and more.

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I readed about two posts on Hyperion forum link but I don't understand very much,because I am not an expert or technic on gfx cards.I prefer to go on with ypur posts

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I played the video but it was without sound.

Thanks anyway

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Where do this Morphos graphics system diagram come? I never saw or heard of it.I really don't understand.

In reality I am not an expert in AmigaNG/X5000 hardware,excuse me for this and my misunderstanding on all this thread.

[ Edited by bearerofthetorch 14.02.2025 - 15:33 ]

@bearerofthetorch:
look at least at this table.

If you want to play 3D games like DOOM3, you need 3D compatible card. For example:
X1950 for MorphOS and linux and RX 580 for AmigaOS. I.e. at least two cards.

Otherwise you can do some compromise. If you really want only one card, you have to prioritize your system:

MorphOS like main system - use X1950, 3D for linux, but 2D only on AmigaOS
Look at "With 3D hardware acceleration:" part

AmigaOS like main system - use Southern Island, i.e. HD77xx-79xx or R9 280, linux also works here with double buffer framebuffer, but MorphOS not works.
or use Polaris RX 550 - 580 card, very powerful, AmigaOS only. No linux, no MorphOS.
AmigaOS 3D cards.

linux like main system - use HD6970, with no MorphOS and 2D only AmigaOS.
Or HD 6870 with 2D on MorphOS and 2D AmigaOS.

After bigfoot finishes his TinyGL update, best single will be something like HD 6870 with 3D on MorphOS + linux and 2D on AmigaOS. It will be great, but there are no fixed term of issue.

Not forgot that for all newer AmigaOS cards you also need extra drivers - you can find them in Sam460 article.

You may wanna check your settings as all my videos has sounds. haha.

You must of hit mute or something. I have done that before.

Or your system us having some hiccup, browser issue, something aint right.

Why would I make a video of me talking w/o sound.

I am not a mime. hahaha

Anyway, if it is something you are indeed interested in, seeing multi-boot of Morph OS as well as Amiga OS, and I could even add Linux down the road with these two cards I have, you may wanna try again.

Regards

TJ

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Well your last video was played on my Morphos system with OWB.Maybe I will try later but the sound began to stutter at minute 10.

As I said I have an ATI Radeon 5450 HD installed on my AmigaOne X5000 and I have AmigaOS 4.1,Morphos 3.19 and Fienix but this need a news installation or upgrade to shine on.

I am not interested in dual boot but yes in triple boot.But my main problem is the impossibility to run or see in fullscreen many games and emulators.I usually get as "Out Of Range" message when trying to load these software.So I want to know which card can make company to my Radeon 5450 HD specially
with Morphos and with AmigaOS 4.1 and Fienix at least at the moment mine works.


Tell me here and I will be grateful.

Thanks

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I want to use my Radeon 5450 HD and add another 2D-3D for Morphos specially and of course for Fienix.There are so many models that I don't know really.

>> http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2023-01-00051-EN.html
>> https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?t=4317

> I readed about two posts on Hyperion forum link but I don't
> understand very much,because I am not an expert or technic
> on gfx cards. I prefer to go on with ypur posts

I just realized that I gave you the wrong link to Hyperion forum. Now corrected.
Unfortunately, I can't give you any more posts of mine on how to use 2 graphics cards in the X5000 as I don't have an X5000 myself. If you can't make sense of what's written in the links or need more information on this, you'd better ask someone who actually went through the process and succeeded.

>>> AmigaNG – kompatabilita HW s AmigaOS, MorphOS a linux ( Czech )
>>> Amiga NG - compatibilité matérielle avec AmigaOS 4, MorphOS et Linux ( French )

>> Your MorphOS graphics system diagram has some severe flaws: [...]

> Where do this Morphos graphics system diagram come?

It comes from the 2 articles linked above (from #1, from #2).

> I never saw or heard of it.I really don't understand.

You really don't need to ;-)

>> If you want to play 3D games like DOOM3, you need 3D compatible card.
>> For example: X1950 for MorphOS and linux and RX 580 for AmigaOS.

> I want to use my Radeon 5450 HD and add another 2D-3D for Morphos
> specially and of course for Fienix.

This isn't possible. If you keep your HD5450 (RV810, TeraScale2), which only Linux can do 3D with (unless using the ninth TinyGL beta on MorphOS), you won't be able to have 3D in both OS4 and MorphOS with any added card. As has been explained several times already, for 3D support in all 3 operating systems, you need one card for OS4 (GCN1 or GCN4) and another one for MorphOS+Linux (R5xx for now). Again: You won't be able to use your HD5450 for this to work out the way you want with the current release (i.e. non-beta) versions of the drivers!

Can you point me to the 2 gfx cards needed to run fine AmigaOS 4.1+Morphos 3.19+Fienix price if I buy it someday?

Apart of this my games on Morphos doesn't run on the mayority of cases.

Thank you

[ Edited by bearerofthetorch 18.02.2025 - 16:51 ]

>> you need one card for OS4 (GCN1 or GCN4) and
>> another one for MorphOS+Linux (R5xx for now).

> Can you point me to the 2 gfx cards needed to run fine
> AmigaOS 4.1+Morphos 3.19+Fienix price if I buy it someday?

It's not "the 2 gfx cards". Use sailor's table linked to in comment #16, look therein in "Architecture" row for "R500" and "CGN4" (which should really be "GCN4"), respectively, and then look below in the respective cells in the "Gfx card name" row. This reveals the possible graphics cards.
Regarding prices you'd have to look for yourself.

> my games on Morphos doesn't run on the mayority of cases.

That's probably because they need TinyGL and/or overlay support which MorphOS lacks for your TeraScale2 graphics card.

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As Andreas said you currently can't use 3D on MorphOS on the Radeon HD 5450. You will have to wait until the TinyGL project is completed.

For the time being stick to a Radeon X1600, X1550, X1300 if you want full 2D/3D on MorphOS and 2D on Linux. _If_ you do that be sure to replace your HD 5450 with a newer Radeon like the RX 470 which is well supported on Amiga OS 4.1 and will not get detected and used by MorphOS.

Or you simply wait until the TinyGL project is finished and get away with 2D/3D on MorphOS and Linux. However I don't know how well the Radeon HD 5450 is supported on Amiga OS 4.1 as I don't own a machine capable of running OS 4.1.