• Just looking around
    Posts: 5 from 2020/5/24
    I bought the x5000 board primarily for OS4, then stumbled upon MOS after reading about some past red vs blue war. Very sad for both sides. Like little children on both sides. I wanted to triple boot OS4, MOS, Linux but I now see PPC BE is largely dead from mainstream developer support. Linux 3D drivers have some long standing bug, Javascript engines with broken BE behavior, Hyperion nowhere to be found but maybe in court. Thank god for Trevor and A-Eon bringing new hardware to market and seeming to pick up software/kernel development too. It is what it is and I knew there were limitations going in. Expensive board yes-but I like it. I really do think there is an advantage in supporting new hardware-not stuck in decade old hardware. Thanks for porting MOS to the board. I will probably buy 1 of the suggested cards for MOS. OTOH I came to "niche" systems precisely as they are not x86 and with that being said I have little interest in MOS-x64.

    My next project is an ARM64 workstation build. Dan A4 case, SolidRun LX2160 board, NVMe, DDR4, PCIE, undecided on which AMD GPU.

    Thanks for all the suggestions

    Heck once MOS-x64 is out, surely the devs write architecture agnostic code and will support modern GPU's & features they might think to themselves about those forum posters asking about GPU drivers and just maybe change arch from x64 to PPCBE and "port" their new drivers to the "old" system? Haha


    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Go to hyperions forums stating you got a Cyrus Plus board
    > for MorphOS, but you want a gfx card that will work fully with
    > both operating systems. Please report back how it goes ;-)

    The difference is that with any fully MorphOS-supported card installed in the X5000 you can still run OS4 in 2D, while with any fully OS4-supported card you cannot run MorphOS at all.

    > developers that publicly wish their own customers [...] would die in a fire

    To be fair, this was only one single developer ;-)

    > X5000 should have never been supported. It was largely done in
    > response to a handful of people who claimed they only would use
    > MorphOS if they could buy brand new hardware, price be damned.

    Seems they didn't learn from the previous Sam460 fiasco ;-)
    (In their defense it should be said that by the time MorphOS was released for the Sam460, the Sam460ex had been superseded by the inferior Sam460cr which had several MorphOS-supported components removed that never could all be replaced by supported PCIe cards due to a severe MorphOS bug even unresolved today, AFAIK.)

    > The OS4 side went completely without 3D acceleration at all on [...] X5000

    This is not true. The graphics cards the X5000 was delivered with were 3D-supported (Warp3D, Warp3D Nova, OpenGL ES 2) by A-Eon right from the X5000 release in 2016.

    > until FINALLY relatively recently did a 3rd party fill the void Hyperion
    > couldn't or wouldn't.

    We're talking about 5 years ago for Warp3D and 4 years ago for Warp3D Nova.

    > MorphOS [...] only recently needed to start rolling PCIe drivers.

    The Sam460 port was released half a decade ago :-)

    > To this day OS4 aims to stay on expensive boutique PPC hardware.

    ...and emulators on cheap x86(-64) hardware (see Z3 RAM usage enabled by Hyperion).

    > MorphOS's goal over the last decade or so has been to use
    > inexpensive commodity hardware.

    Yes, one really wonders how the unpaid and certainly non-trivial Sam460 and X5000 ports fit this goal.
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