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How to run MorphOS on unsupported iMAC G5

sailor

# 48
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 358 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...

Quote:

Norbi wrote:
Can you show the screen with OSX SYSTEM PROFILER and ACTIVE PROFILER with 4GB memory information?
For me, Morphos shows over 1.8GB, but OSX somehow does not see it. Neither 10.4 nor 10.5.
Maybe 10.6 will see?
It has been possible recently.

If I remember, the system profiler doesn't recognized memory details, but OSX recognized total size of 4.5GB - see post#29. I will check and post picture with profiler. I have OSX 10.5 installed - latest for PPC, 10.6 is for Intel Macs only.
And ~1.7GB is today's maximum with MorphOS.
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOneX1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
»29.06.20 - 08:10

Norbi

# 49
Butterfly

Posts: 99 from 2004/6/19

Yes,. I read the post. ACTIVE PROFILER shows that OSX uses only 512MB and the rest on virtual memory. No information about these 4GB DDR2. How can you check and confirm that OSX, however, uses 4.5GB of memory.
OSX 10.6 now works on PPC
»29.06.20 - 08:49

sailor

# 50
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 358 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...

OSX 10.5:
iMac-MEM.jpg

DebianSid:
iMac-MEM-lnx.jpg
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOneX1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
»29.06.20 - 20:39

MoerBoer

# 51
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 210 from 2019/10/15

Quote:

sailor wrote:
OSX 10.5:
iMac-MEM.jpg

DebianSid:
iMac-MEM-lnx.jpg

That is very cool! Time to go Ram hunting for my iMac too!

p.s. Does MorphOS pick up all 4.5gb too?
»30.06.20 - 08:32

sailor

# 52
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 358 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...

Quote:

Norbi wrote:
OSX 10.6 now works on PPC

Did anybody test it in real?
Are there any advantages over 10.5? Drivers for better GPU, boot from raid, etc... ?
And what about new applications for 10.6 ? Aren't they distributed as intel-exe only and not universal binary?
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, AmigaOneX1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
»30.06.20 - 08:34

Andreas_Wolf

# 53
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12078 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> Does MorphOS pick up all 4.5gb too?

The iMac doesn't magically change the 31-bit addressing of MorphOS, which means 2 GiB RAM maximum. Minus address space for I/O etc. that's about 1.7 GiB usable RAM remaining. This is valid in general for current MorphOS, no matter the hardware platform.
»30.06.20 - 08:48

Andreas_Wolf

# 54
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12078 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> OSX 10.6 now works on PPC

> Did anybody test it in real? Are there any advantages over 10.5? Drivers
> for better GPU, boot from raid, etc... ? And what about new applications
> for 10.6 ? Aren't they distributed as intel-exe only and not universal binary?

I recommend skimming over the linked thread. It's all discussed in there :-)
»30.06.20 - 08:53

MoerBoer

# 55
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 210 from 2019/10/15

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> Does MorphOS pick up all 4.5gb too?

The iMac doesn't magically change the 31-bit addressing of MorphOS, which means 2 GiB RAM maximum. Minus address space for I/O etc. that's about 1.7 GiB usable RAM remaining. This is valid in general for current MorphOS, no matter the hardware platform.

Makes sense, didn't even think of that. Saves me some money then :)
»30.06.20 - 09:01

Norbi

# 56
Butterfly

Posts: 99 from 2004/6/19

Thanks for the screenshots.
Now everything is clear.
My memory (not samsung) behaves the same as yours.
I was surprised by the large use of virtual memory at 4GB. Apparently that's how OSX does.
»30.06.20 - 10:39

CMTX

# 57
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2017/10/7

Hello! I'm wondering if the fans issue is still here after the new updates. I've wanted to buy an imac since 3.12, but the temperature/fans problem is holding me back :)

Thank you.
»12.10.20 - 01:05

AKiLL

# 58
Butterfly

Posts: 89 from 2006/3/6

From: Naples, Italy

Quote:

CMTX wrote:
Hello! I'm wondering if the fans issue is still here after the new updates. I've wanted to buy an imac since 3.12, but the temperature/fans problem is holding me back :)

Thank you.

On my iMac G5 20" iSight running MorphOS 3.14, I solved the overheating problem using Frank Mariak iMacFanCtrl 0.3 tool (version 0.2 works with MorphOS 3.13 but not with the latest MorphOS update).
This tool allows to manually control fan /temperature avoiding issues and hardware failures with too high
temperatures when the system reaches too high CPU load.

As for the fan issue, I think in this thread it was well explained by sailor (post # 14) how to fix it ...

It is actually a bit uncomfortable to have to increase the revs of the three fans after each boot.
Surely, it would be more convenient to be able to automate this process during boot and live peacefully without the fear of forgetting to adjust the fans with the risk of frying GPU or other hardware, but unfortunately I don't know how to do it.
»12.10.20 - 08:43

MoerBoer

# 59
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 210 from 2019/10/15

Strange, I've never had issues with mine.

The fans ramp up when needed and the temperature is properly controlled without any extra programs.
»12.10.20 - 10:21

AKiLL

# 60
Butterfly

Posts: 89 from 2006/3/6

From: Naples, Italy

Quote:

MoerBoer wrote:
Strange, I've never had issues with mine.

The fans ramp up when needed and the temperature is properly controlled without any extra programs.

In my case, without manually adjusting fan speed via the iMacFanCtrl tool, after about half an hour of normal use (without major commitments for the CPU) the temperature systematically rises from 45°C (just after boot) to 78-85°C and the Northbrige controller also reaches beyond 90°C. In this situation, I do not hear the fans start automatically and I suppose that in such temperature conditions hardware damages would be almost inevitable.

In your case, at what temperatures do the fans automatically increase?

Probably Frank could clarify our doubts about the automatic adjustment of the fan speed to the temperature increase.
»12.10.20 - 15:13

MoerBoer

# 61
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Posts: 210 from 2019/10/15

My fans ramp up drastically at about 85c cpu ( northbridge sits at about 72c at that stage )

It sounds like a jet for a second or two then drops the cpu temps quickly to about 75c and it gradually goes down then.

Normal usage for me it sits at about 65c - 70c for the CPU and 70c for the northbridge
»12.10.20 - 17:01

BatteMan

# 62
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 282 from 2003/2/24

From: France
If you want to do it automagically at every boot, you can add this in your user-startup :
Code:
```
	C:talk2smu_setfan 0 2500 >NIL:
	C:talk2smu_setfan 1 2500 >NIL:
	C:talk2smu_setfan 2 2500 >NIL:
```
You can modify 2500 by a number between 0 to 5000 (but 0 is maybe not a good idea ^^).

--
/me doesn't put those lines in his startup but it's a good idea ^^
Proud user of MorphOS since 2003 !
»12.10.20 - 20:41

AKiLL

# 63
Butterfly

Posts: 89 from 2006/3/6

From: Naples, Italy
Quote:
BatteMan wrote:
If you want to do it automagically at every boot, you can add this in your user-startup :
Code:
```
	C:talk2smu_setfan 0 2500 >NIL:
	C:talk2smu_setfan 1 2500 >NIL:
	C:talk2smu_setfan 2 2500 >NIL:
```
You can modify 2500 by a number between 0 to 5000 (but 0 is maybe not a good idea ^^).

--
/me doesn't put those lines in his startup but it's a good idea ^^
Where did u find that talk2smu_setfan command ?
»12.10.20 - 22:17

cyfm

# 64
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 537 from 2003/4/11

From: Germany
Quote:
AKiLL schrieb:
Quote:
BatteMan wrote:
If you want to do it automagically at every boot, you can add this in your user-startup :
Code:
C:talk2smu_setfan 0 2500 >NIL:
C:talk2smu_setfan 1 2500 >NIL:
C:talk2smu_setfan 2 2500 >NIL:
You can modify 2500 by a number between 0 to 5000 (but 0 is maybe not a good idea ^^).

--
/me doesn't put those lines in his startup but it's a good idea ^^
Where did u find that talk2smu_setfan command ?
This is no official tool, actually. I will probably release another update to the fancontrol UI tool that allows to define some minimum rpm values on startup.
»12.10.20 - 23:16

CMTX

# 65
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2017/10/7

Thank you for your answers. Looks like it's safe to get one now :)
»14.10.20 - 15:36

sabbate

# 66
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 110 from 2013/7/7

From: Palermo - Italia

i bought today an isight for 100 euro from a german dealer, in the past i used morphos but my machines had broken they were all g5

Hello:)
»19.10.20 - 19:44

MoerBoer

# 67
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 210 from 2019/10/15

Welcome! Maybe you are also lucky with your temps, like I've been. Mine rarely gets hot unless I run Encore demos non stop, but the fans does their thing

qdqc2w2
»19.10.20 - 20:01

sabbate

# 68
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 110 from 2013/7/7

From: Palermo - Italia

yes fortunately i read how to fix the fans :), however wayfarer is one of the reasons why i got imac and i think i will support jadacaps
»19.10.20 - 20:26

MoerBoer

# 69
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 210 from 2019/10/15

Mine is running fine without any fan issues or programs, hence hoping you might be also be lucky.
»20.10.20 - 07:02

sabbate

# 70
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 110 from 2013/7/7

From: Palermo - Italia

yes it is a refurbished imac, i have seen photos of its interior too, it should work without problems
»20.10.20 - 11:42

cyfm

# 71
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 537 from 2003/4/11

From: Germany
Quote:
cyfm schrieb:
Quote:
AKiLL schrieb:
Quote:
BatteMan wrote:
If you want to do it automagically at every boot, you can add this in your user-startup :
Code:
C:talk2smu_setfan 0 2500 >NIL:
C:talk2smu_setfan 1 2500 >NIL:
C:talk2smu_setfan 2 2500 >NIL:

You can modify 2500 by a number between 0 to 5000 (but 0 is maybe not a good idea ^^).

--
/me doesn't put those lines in his startup but it's a good idea ^^
Where did u find that talk2smu_setfan command ?
This is no official tool, actually. I will probably release another update to the fancontrol UI tool that allows to define some minimum rpm values on startup.
There is a new version 0.4 of iMacFanCtrl available at morphos-storage.net which allows to adjust minimum rpm values and which can also be configured to skip the UI in order to avoid any additional user interaction on startup launch.
»01.01.21 - 17:16

AKiLL

# 72
Butterfly

Posts: 89 from 2006/3/6

From: Naples, Italy
Quote:
cyfm wrote:
Quote:
cyfm schrieb:
Quote:
AKiLL schrieb:
Quote:

BatteMan wrote:
If you want to do it automagically at every boot, you can add this in your user-startup :
Code:
C:talk2smu_setfan 0 2500 >NIL:
C:talk2smu_setfan 1 2500 >NIL:
C:talk2smu_setfan 2 2500 >NIL:

You can modify 2500 by a number between 0 to 5000 (but 0 is maybe not a good idea ^^).

--
/me doesn't put those lines in his startup but it's a good idea ^^

Where did u find that talk2smu_setfan command ?
This is no official tool, actually. I will probably release another update to the fancontrol UI tool that allows to define some minimum rpm values on startup.
There is a new version 0.4 of iMacFanCtrl available at morphos-storage.net which allows to adjust minimum rpm values and which can also be configured to skip the UI in order to avoid any additional user interaction on startup launch.
Just downloaded and installed. Thanks for the update.
»01.01.21 - 19:10