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    Spectre660 wrote:
    It is clear that it is A-eon but not which developer(s) is(are) doing the work for them for the x5000 driver. If it were public I would have posted it .


    Hence why I could only post the link and word it as I did.

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    Just trying to bring this up to date a bit:

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    The X5000 ethernet driver has been completed and will feature on the Enhancer Software v1.4.

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    is this indicating an issue?

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    number6 wrote:
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    number6 wrote:
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    Spectre660 wrote:
    It is clear that it is A-eon but not which developer(s) is(are) doing the work for them for the x5000 driver. If it were public I would have posted it .


    Hence why I could only post the link and word it as I did.

    #6


    Just trying to bring this up to date a bit:

    Quote:

    The X5000 ethernet driver has been completed and will feature on the Enhancer Software v1.4.

    Source

    is this indicating an issue?

    #6



    Not with the builtin driver.
    CMI Sound cards can cause issues including Ethernet problems .

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    [ Edited by Spectre660 30.08.2018 - 11:43 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > other developers were apparently delivering the goods for the
    > ethernet drivers for Tabor (Rene' Olsen) and X5000 .

    Do you happen to know who wrote the Ethernet driver for the X5000?




    Enhancer Software 1.4 Released

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    We would also like to extend our thanks to Mark Olsen for his timely and professional work in implementing the X5000 ethernet driver.


    [ Edited by Spectre660 09.09.2018 - 11:01 ]
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    Spectre660 wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > other developers were apparently delivering the goods for the
    > ethernet drivers for Tabor (Rene' Olsen) and X5000 .

    Do you happen to know who wrote the Ethernet driver for the X5000?




    Enhancer Software 1.4 Released

    Quote:

    We would also like to extend our thanks to Mark Olsen for his timely and professional work in implementing the X5000 ethernet driver.



    Well if that isn't a big surprise. There's a level of cooperation you wouldn't have seen a few years ago.

    Very cool.

    If it was possible, it would make me appreciate Bigfoot all the more.
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    We are very grateful to Mark (and Frank) for their help with this component. It was a great contribution to the latest Enhancer Software.
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    > We are very grateful to Mark (and Frank) for their help with this component.

    Are they allowed to use the code in a future MorphOS release?
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    I‘d guess it was the other way round, them providing sources already done for the MorphOS version.
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    them providing sources


    Is it based on some open source licensed code? Otherwise providing binaries should suffice... ;-)
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    The Linux fortune of Tabor isn't looking very bright either. It's QorIQ P1022 powerpc-spe CPUs support is already obsoleted in gcc 8.x (klick) and will be thrown out in gcc 9.x if nobody steps up to actively maintain it.

    I guess code can still be compiled with gcc using another -mcpu target for e500 or generic ppc. But I suppose it will be hard to utilize floating point instructions then as this is the job of the SPE?
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    > We are very grateful to Mark (and Frank) for their help with this component.

    Are they allowed to use the code in a future MorphOS release?


    It is my understanding that Mark is very busy with real world work. So A-EON sponsored his time to develop the driver for both OS4 and MorphOS. As part of the agreement he has provided us with the full source code for future development. If our team update the source in due course, we are happy to share the changes back to Mark for the benefit of supporting our X5000 customers, whether they prefer OS4 or MorphOS.

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    Well if that isn't a big surprise. There's a level of cooperation you wouldn't have seen a few years ago.


    Actually A-EON Technology Ltd has always been happy to cooperate with users and developers across all Amiga inspired systems. Frank and Mark had a special preview of Tabor and Cyrus prototype boards way back in 2013. Mark has stepped in a few times to help us with firmware upgrades building on the work done by Varisys contractors. So you may be surprised that the Amiga community is a lot more cooperative than some speculation suggests.

    [ Edited by amigakit 10.09.2018 - 10:52 ]
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    @thread

    Upon returning from vacation Costel posted this retrospective of h/w and thoughts about responsibility and future concerns.
    As it is in German, I always appreciate a correct translation of any items you might think warrant further discussion.

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    further info re:plans

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    > A-EON sponsored his time to develop the driver for both OS4 and MorphOS.
    > [...] he has provided us with the full source code for future development.
    > If our team update the source in due course, we are happy to share the
    > changes back to Mark

    Nice :-)

    > Frank and Mark had a special preview of Tabor and Cyrus prototype
    > boards way back in 2013.

    Yes, bigfoot told the story about P5020DS and Cyrus 3 years ago here on MorphZone. But wait, they also got Tabor prototypes (for evaluation purposes, I guess)? That's interesting, as nothing will come off of it as it seems (due to the MorphOS Team's expressed aversion against SPE/e500v2).

    > Mark has stepped in a few times to help us with firmware upgrades
    > building on the work done by Varisys contractors.

    I remember some of his comments on the X5000/Cyrus U-Boot from 2 years back. Until now, I wasn't aware of the scope of your cooperation in this.
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    Jim wrote:

    Well if that isn't a big surprise. There's a level of cooperation you wouldn't have seen a few years ago.

    Very cool.

    If it was possible, it would make me appreciate Bigfoot all the more.


    Bigfoot isn't human, I don't believe it. Has he ever been seen in person? ;-)

    How can we get him working on Amiga NG full time? I guess there just aren't enough of us to afford him giving up his day job, but I wish we could.
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    Bigfoot isn't human, I don't believe it. Has he ever been seen in person? ;-)


    As hard it may be to believe, but light does indeed still escape him !!!



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    Kronos wrote:
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    redrumloa wrote:

    Bigfoot isn't human, I don't believe it. Has he ever been seen in person? ;-)


    As hard it may be to believe, but light does indeed still escape him !!!



    *guess I really should run now*


    Mark? He's all too human.
    And when Aeonkit states that he's really busy, he actually IS damned busy.

    And on top of his full-time work, he still stepped up to create a boatload of support for new video cards for us, and a network driver for both us and the OS4 community.

    I'm glad Aeon let it be known that Mark and Frank were both offered Tabor access, since I've been keeping that quiet for awhile now.

    And apparently the number of MorphOS developers with X5000 boards is continuing to grow.

    Before everything begins to look completely unbalanced, and everyone gets the impression that Mark is the sole developer working on new projects, we all know Jacek and Andre have new projects in the works.

    Frank is still quietly working in the background, and core developers like kiero and cyfm are still very much part of the community.

    Hey, even Ralph is still here, since the last time I sent in a message about a registration inquiry he was the one that responded.

    For a community that legacy fanatics keep writing off as "dead", things seem quite lively.
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    Frank .... cyfm



    Now that would be a serious diagnose ;)
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    > Mark and Frank were both offered Tabor access

    And they even took that offer it seems ;-)
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    Frank .... cyfm



    Now that would be a serious diagnose ;)


    Actually, before Frank steps in to clarify, I can not and do not speak for him.
    Haven't exchanged messages with him in quite awhile.

    Rumblings of his whereabouts are, to me, like the sounds of jungle cats at an indistinct distance.

    And the operations of the development team as a whole are as inscrutable as an Asian mystery religion.

    That being said, I have faith we are headed in the right direction, and that there is a captain at the helm of the ship.

    Do those comments make a diagnosis any easier? ;-)
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    > Mark and Frank were both offered Tabor access

    And they even took that offer it seems ;-)


    Took, examined, decided to "step over it", who knows.

    What we can count on, is our developers listen to us, and we said a long time ago that the core used in the P1022 wasn't desirable.

    They call the shots, but I trust their decisions.
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    Jim wrote:
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    Kronos wrote:
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    Jim wrote:


    Frank .... cyfm



    Now that would be a serious diagnose ;)


    Actually, before Frank steps in to clarify,


    It might be that there is a Frank on the team so silent that not only I completely forgot about him no the team also left him out of the "about MorphOS window".

    Or it might be that your not aware what the fm in cyfm stands for.


    I'll take door 2.
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    Oh...man Frank was right, I'm an f'ing idiot.

    OK, and I HAVE been in touch with him.

    Thanks grandpa.

    In any case, the three I associate with video/2D/3D development and support all are on a similar page.

    And since graphics is at the core of any Amiga related OS, as Frank would know from his days working on the CyberGraphics drivers...

    Hey, like I said before, like a religious fanatic I'll just step back and suggest that the future is in more capable hands than my own.

    Edit - Just knowing Frank and Ralph are still actively involved is very encouraging.

    And I think with that, I better bough out too.

    Look I find a peek around the curtain to find the "Oz" is there and that he's just a man encouraging.

    [ Edited by Jim 10.09.2018 - 13:57 ]
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    And while he was busy speaking other developers were apparently delivering the goods for the ethernet drivers for Tabor (Rene' Olsen) and X5000 .


    I think this thread makes it clear who was doing the work as well:
    Drivers for the internal network chip? (X5000)

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    To be clear, the above link refers to the so-called Hyperion driver that Costel is now writing about.
    Not to be confused with the work of Rene or Mark and Frank.

    #6
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