Pegasos/MorphOS graphic boards compatibility list!!!!
  • vox
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    vox
    Posts: 428 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
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    Spectre660 wrote:
    These demos already work with Polaris cards .


    That is really nice advancement on Hans side, Kudos, but I see no point
    in it (beside game conversion) on a computer that does not have a proper
    office or a browser, for a starter.

    With only Enhancer and Gfx driver being done, and not OS 4.2, Libre and TW/newer Odyssey port OS4 will remain plausable toy to look at, forever.

    Its my belief AEON has really mixed their priorities, or decided to consiously go for easier goals that can cash in. Mind that OS 4.2, Libre and browser have been promised back at x1000 release days, 2011/2012, that is, six years ago. OS 4.2 was prepaid by x1000 users.

    At the other hand, drivers for gfx cards are advancing, but require constant cash-in, which I find embaressing so far.

    - 1.x driver purchased with x1000 just to have in WB
    - 1.x driver purchased again to have CD install (silly me, believed it will be updated for free for owners)
    - 2.x driver purchased with Enhancer to have SI 3D and better Emotion playback
    - need to purchase additional driver to have old Warp3D via AmiStore (!?!!!!)
    - We will now have 3.x driver for Polaris and some enhancements ...

    Sorry, that is starting to cost as an office suite.

    I prefer MOS approach where you buy the OS, and drivers are developed inside that price. At least for "supported hardware".
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    x1000 user, ASAP Vampire Standalone user, future MOS user
  • »21.08.18 - 18:45
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10465 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > browser have been promised back at x1000 release days, 2011/2012

    And browser is what OS4 users got (ReAction-OWB, Timberwolf, MUI-OWB, Odyssey) :-)
  • »21.08.18 - 20:14
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  • vox
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 428 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > browser have been promised back at x1000 release days, 2011/2012

    And browser is what OS4 users got (ReAction-OWB, Timberwolf, MUI-OWB, Odyssey) :-)


    Dont forget the Ibrowse bundled. Beside Odyssey that used to work quite a long time, and would if they provided updating - I cant really tell you which of mentioned is better and worse. TW had quite fair results in one OS4 version session it worked on x1000.

    Hope ranting will stop as soon MOS and Vamp setups are done :-)
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    x1000 user, ASAP Vampire Standalone user, future MOS user
  • »22.08.18 - 07:39
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  • Caterpillar
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    sailor
    Posts: 29 from 2019/5/9
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    Chain-Q wrote:
    Does this answer your question? : Pega2-2GB-RadeonHD.png

    Made with an earlier beta, but the final works as well. 3.10 improved the support, so the card is now initialized properly without the OF, and works in a Pegasos II, or Efika. It didn't work with 3.8 or 3.9 at least. I still cannot wholeheartedly recommend it over an R9800 or 9200 though, for the aforementioned reasons.


    Please, are there some benchmarks to compare Radeon9800 and HD4xxx ?
    For example SDLBench and MPlayer. And please, is it PCI card?
    Or some new ideas about best card for Pegasos2?

    Just now I overclocked my Pegasos 2 to 1.33GHz and want also upgraded graphics. I take Radeom 9800Pro and wil try overclocking. But maybe HD4xxx will be better choice.
    Pegasos II 1.33GHz, AmigaOne X1000, Powermac G5 Quad, iMac G5, Powerbook G4 and Z10PE-D16 WS
    MorphOS, AmigaOS, Debian, Ubuntu, OSX, NetBSD, Win7 ;-)
  • »19.05.19 - 13:41
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  • Jim
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    Posts: 4855 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Quote:

    sailor wrote:
    Quote:

    Chain-Q wrote:
    Does this answer your question? : Pega2-2GB-RadeonHD.png

    Made with an earlier beta, but the final works as well. 3.10 improved the support, so the card is now initialized properly without the OF, and works in a Pegasos II, or Efika. It didn't work with 3.8 or 3.9 at least. I still cannot wholeheartedly recommend it over an R9800 or 9200 though, for the aforementioned reasons.


    Please, are there some benchmarks to compare Radeon9800 and HD4xxx ?
    For example SDLBench and MPlayer. And please, is it PCI card?
    Or some new ideas about best card for Pegasos2?

    Just now I overclocked my Pegasos 2 to 1.33GHz and want also upgraded graphics. I take Radeom 9800Pro and wil try overclocking. But maybe HD4xxx will be better choice.




    That is an accomplishment, but I think I would have just looked for a universally keyed R360 based card. At least you'd have 3D support. Although with the R700, you do still get overlay support. I don't play a lot of games, so 3D is less important.

    And if Mark follows his progressive evolution path, the R600 and the R700 cards would be the most likely to receive 3D support first.
    Personally, I'd like to see 3D support for higher end cards.

    But the cards supported by Warp3D Nova, Radeon HD 77xx-79xx series graphics card (excluding the Radeon HD 7790), Radeon HD R7 240/240D, Radeon HD R7 250, Radeon HD R7 250E, Radeon HD 250X/265, and the Radeon HD R9 270/270X/280/280X are all getting king of dated.

    Jumping to Radeon RX, Vega, or Navi would at least give us up to date gpus.

    Although...I did like the Radeon HD 7850/7870. I sent one to Mark, but its not on the compatibility list (its a GCN card, we aren't up to those yet). GCN gen 1 and gen 2 would give us a lot of compatibility with OS4.

    [ Edited by Jim 19.05.2019 - 18:10 ]
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  • »19.05.19 - 22:55
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10465 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    >> Pega2-2GB-RadeonHD.png

    > is it PCI card?

    Yes, it is.

    > Or some new ideas about best card for Pegasos2?

    As written in comment #126, the most recent card to work in the Pegasos II should be the Radeon HD5450 (albeit no overlay support for now).
  • »20.05.19 - 10:49
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10465 from 2003/5/22
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    > if Mark follows his progressive evolution path, the R600 and the
    > R700 cards would be the most likely to receive 3D support first.
    > Personally, I'd like to see 3D support for higher end cards.

    Change of mind? ;-)

    > the cards supported by Warp3D Nova, Radeon HD 77xx-79xx series
    > graphics card (excluding the Radeon HD 7790), Radeon HD R7 240/240D,
    > Radeon HD R7 250, Radeon HD R7 250E, Radeon HD 250X/265, and the
    > Radeon HD R9 270/270X/280/280X are all getting king of dated.

    That's why Warp3D Nova has started supporting Polaris/GCN4 seven months ago:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=12151&start=124

    > GCN gen 1 and gen 2 would give us a lot of compatibility with OS4.

    Make that 4 instead of 2. OS4 jumped straight to GCN4 from GCN1, skipping GCN2 and GCN3.
  • »20.05.19 - 11:27
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  • Caterpillar
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    sailor
    Posts: 29 from 2019/5/9
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Quote:

    sailor wrote:
    Please, are there some benchmarks to compare Radeon9800 and HD4xxx ?
    For example SDLBench and MPlayer. And please, is it PCI card?
    Or some new ideas about best card for Pegasos2?

    Just now I overclocked my Pegasos 2 to 1.33GHz and want also upgraded graphics. I take Radeon 9800Pro and will try overclocking. But maybe HD4xxx will be better choice.



    That is an accomplishment, but I think I would have just looked for a universally keyed R360 based card. At least you'd have 3D support. Although with the R700, you do still get overlay support. I don't play a lot of games, so 3D is less important.


    Yes. I was try to find universal-keyed R360.
    But - the best R360 card I found is probably 9800 XT (cca 8% faster then my 9800PRO), only 1.5V version.
    The only universal AGP with R360 what I found was ATI FireGL X2-256 - and this have different RAM config, i.e. it cannot be flashed to 9800XT. The best solution seems to be slightly overclock my 9800PRO.

    Because I need more compositing and prefer actual Morphos SDL games over 3D games, I was asking for benchmarks. Doesn't matter, if I get some HD4xxx, I test it and post benchmarks here.

    [ Edited by sailor 20.05.2019 - 20:57 ]
    Pegasos II 1.33GHz, AmigaOne X1000, Powermac G5 Quad, iMac G5, Powerbook G4 and Z10PE-D16 WS
    MorphOS, AmigaOS, Debian, Ubuntu, OSX, NetBSD, Win7 ;-)
  • »20.05.19 - 17:37
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  • Jim
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    Posts: 4855 from 2009/1/28
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    >Make that 4 instead of 2. OS4 jumped straight to GCN4 from GCN1, skipping GCN2 and GCN3.

    I rather liked GCN1 myself.
    GCN2, since my only experience with that was an R7 260X, was a bit of a disappointment.

    I believe Mark has a representatives of GCN 1, 2, 3, and 4.

    I'd just like to be able to use a Radeon 7770.

    Although...an RX580 would be nice. ;-)
    I believe Mark mentioned owning an RX570, so GCN4 support is not an impossibility.

    Addendum: As Navi is apparently GCN derived, that would make it GCN5 wouldn't it (as Radeon VII appears to just be GCN4 on steriods).

    We haven't even ventured into GCN support, and the last GCN generation is due to be launched this year.

    Modern video card support, improved OpenGL support, SMP, and memory protection.
    All of which could be started on our higher end PPC systems, but are a must for an X64 variant.

    [ Edited by Jim 20.05.2019 - 23:30 ]
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  • »20.05.19 - 17:41
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