MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
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    >>Well, at least the the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

    Yep, utter fiction, in that part.
    You can box legacy apps, but you are not running them together seamlessly.

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    X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

    nope.

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    redrumloa wrote:
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    eliyahu wrote:
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    X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

    nope.

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    You are setting yourself up for disappointment


    Let the AmigaOS4.x guys hang themselves and laugh at them when it doesn't work, or when it never gets finished and released. It just makes MorphOS users look bad when we pick on them too soon.

    We are much better off just stating the current facts, which all point to big disappointments of the past promises and the lack of current progress in the present day. All promises and very, very little improvements, or new features for the AmigaOS4.x users, while MorphOS keeps adding good features and so many new hardware choices (that can be bought for so little, and out perform anything you can get that runs AmgiaOS4.x).

    I guess some few improvements have been made for AmigaOS4.x, but not many of those are done by Hyperion, it is outside 3rd party developers who get the most done it seems. I wonder what Hyperion is actually doing?

    If they would publish weekly, or even monthly updates of all the programming committed to the AmigaOS4.x code base, like some of the AROS guys are doing publicly, then we would at least know they are doing something.
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    Now you can pre-order the X5000. The price starts at £1415 (€1915 or $2150) + tax. AmigaOS 4.1 is included, but it doesn't mention MorphOS at all, which I find disappointing.

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    Yasu wrote:
    Now you can pre-order the X5000. The price starts at £1415 (€1915 or $2150) + tax. AmigaOS 4.1 is included, but it doesn't mention MorphOS at all, which I find disappointing.

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    >Customers will be able to pre-order their AmigaOne X5000 system

    That doesn't sound like now.

    But the pricing is better than I expected.
    And these are the dual core models.

    Wonder when we will see the quad core and at what premium?

    [ Edited by Jim 02.10.2015 - 21:12 ]
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    Yasu wrote:
    (€1915 or $2150) + tax.


    In other words, €2300 or $2580 for EU customers. For the "base system".

    A lot of money that is, considering what you will get.
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    but it doesn't mention MorphOS at all


    I'm not surprised somehow.
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    Even if the press release does not mention MorphOS at all, A-Eon promised (back in June already I think) to put back a limited number of final Cyrus+ production boards for potential MorphOS developers and users.
    Pricing and availability is none of our business, though.
    You just might need to ask A-Eon for this..... :)
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    pega-1 wrote:
    Even if the press release does not mention MorphOS at all, A-Eon promised (back in June already I think) to put back a limited number of final Cyrus+ production boards for potential MorphOS developers and users.
    Pricing and availability is none of our business, though.
    You just might need to ask A-Eon for this..... :)



    I wonder if we get a discount for not needing OS4.1?

    BTW - Frank, any idea what MorphOS license keys will cost for this yet?
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    Jim wrote:
    That doesn't sound like now.

    But the pricing is better than I expected.
    And these are the dual core models.

    Wonder when we will see the quad core and at what premium?


    Are you still thinking of buying the X5000 to run both MorphOS and AmigaOS4.x? Or would you buy the X5000 without AmigaOS4.1FE, if A-Eon/AmigaKit offers it that way to MorphOS users?

    It is disturbing that A-Eon has not released any info regarding MorphOS running on the X5000, or even mentioned MorphOS in any of it's press releases.

    I thought that Trevor would embrace the MorphOS developers and users, once the MorphOS Dev. Team decided to port MorphOS to the X5000 and support A-Eon, which they did not need to do.

    We all know that MorphOS is going to run better and be a more complete system on the X5000 than AmigaOS4.1FE. In fact, I'll be surprised if MorphOS3.10 that supports the X5000 is not finished and ready before Hyperion has completed the port of AmigaOS4.1FE to the X5000. A-Eon might hold back the release and sale of the X5000 until the port of AmigaOS4.1FE is finished, just so they don't make Hyperion look bad when MorphOS3.10 for the X5000 is completed first. I would hope that Trevor and Matthew would not hold it back for that reason, but they do have close ties and dependency on AmigaOS4.1FE users and Hyperion, and I doubt that enough MorphOS users will purchase X5000 systems to change that dependency.

    I wonder if A-Eon is paying for and completing the AmigaOS4.1FE drivers for the X5000, while the MorphOS Dev. Team is writing their own drivers for the X5000 for MorphOS3.10?

    @pega1,

    Do you mean by "put back" that Trevor promised to sell some of the Cyrus+ systems or motherboards to MorphOS users & developers without AmigaOS4.1FE "tax" added?

    [ Edited by amigadave 03.10.2015 - 11:33 ]
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    As a quick note, a friend recently sent me a terse PM reminding me to "Ask A-eon".

    So, maybe we should just sit back and let this unfold.

    I have decided that as I have specifically been pulling for this one, I'll have to support and buy it.
    And I'd love to see an X5000 shipped with MorphOS installed.

    I can't say whether that will happen or not, but think about it.
    Wouldn't it make sense?

    In fact, we have all been so focused on the fact that we set up our own hardware (because hackers do that), that we have ignored the fact that most OS' come pre-installed on new hardware.

    [ Edited by Jim 03.10.2015 - 18:16 ]
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    > I'd love to see an X5000 shipped with MorphOS installed. I can't say whether that
    > will happen or not, but think about it. Wouldn't it make sense?

    So far, there is no Sam460 shipped with MorphOS installed, even though you can return OS4 for a refund. So I guess the possibility is bare.

    > we have ignored the fact that most OS' come pre-installed on new hardware.

    It's not about what we users have or haven't ignored but the simple fact that MorphOS doesn't come preinstalled on new hardware.
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > I'd love to see an X5000 shipped with MorphOS installed. I can't say whether that
    > will happen or not, but think about it. Wouldn't it make sense?

    So far, there is no Sam460 shipped with MorphOS installed, even though you can return OS4 for a refund. So I guess the possibility is bare.

    > we have ignored the fact that most OS' come pre-installed on new hardware.

    It's not about what we users have or haven't ignored but the simple fact that MorphOS doesn't come preinstalled on new hardware.


    Not yet, but it should.
    Even in the late '80's and early '90s I was involved in shipping hacker oriented PT68K4 based systems fully finished with Microware OS-9 on them as "System IV" computers.

    And in retail, complete computers come with an OS pre-installed.

    So why not MorphOS?

    After all, they usually install OS4 on AmigaOne 500 and X1000 systems before shipment.

    Its just the way things are done these days.

    Edit - Just wanted you all to realize this is NOT likely to happen.

    AmigaOne 500s come with OS4.1 pre-installed, not MorphOS.
    We just have MorphOS support for the SAM460.
    And we will undoubtedly have to install MorphOS on the X5000 on our own.

    But retail systems SHOULD exist.
    If I was younger, I'd pursue it myself.
    BUT I have already done that kind of thing once.


    [ Edited by Jim 03.10.2015 - 19:02 ]
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    I think time (and money?) used to bring MorphOS to the X5000 should have been used to move on to something more meaningful such as the x86 version. As someone from MorphOS Team told me... only a handful of licenses came from Sam460 users... let alone from a computer costing 2500 Euro (starting from!) that is the X5000.
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    @Everblue

    I think it's mostly about getting some up to date hardware that is easy to port to. This will give the Team a way to port more modern hardware which they can use for the system jump.

    Also, I bet it must feel nice to be able to remove the last valid critizism against MorphOS: no new hardware. Sure, it happened already with the SAM 460 port but the more the merrier :-)

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    Double post.

    [ Edited by Yasu 04.10.2015 - 11:06 ]
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    @Everblue

    I think it's mostly about getting some up to date hardware that is easy to port to. This will give the Team a way to port more modern hardware which they can use for the system jump.

    Also, I bet it must feel nice to be able to remove the last valid critizism against MorphOS: no new hardware. Sure, it happened already with the SAM 460 port but the more the merrier :-)


    I just hope they get their time and effort's worth in registered licences.
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    Everblue wrote:
    I think time (and money?) used to bring MorphOS to the X5000 should have been used to move on to something more meaningful such as the x86 version. As someone from MorphOS Team told me... only a handful of licenses came from Sam460 users... let alone from a computer costing 2500 Euro (starting from!) that is the X5000.


    I have placed my trust in the guys that make these decisions as they have not steered us wrong yet.
    The move to X64 does trouble me, as its risky (what is being proposed), but I will follow through with that.

    In the meanwhile I am extremely happy to see these new PPC developments and wholly welcome them.
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    Everblue wrote:
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    Yasu wrote:
    @Everblue

    I think it's mostly about getting some up to date hardware that is easy to port to. This will give the Team a way to port more modern hardware which they can use for the system jump.

    Also, I bet it must feel nice to be able to remove the last valid critizism against MorphOS: no new hardware. Sure, it happened already with the SAM 460 port but the more the merrier :-)


    I just hope they get their time and effort's worth in registered licences.




    [ Edited by Spectre660 04.10.2015 - 10:33 ]
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    Er, sure I will thanks :D
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    Jim wrote:
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    Everblue wrote:
    I think time (and money?) used to bring MorphOS to the X5000 should have been used to move on to something more meaningful such as the x86 version. As someone from MorphOS Team told me... only a handful of licenses came from Sam460 users... let alone from a computer costing 2500 Euro (starting from!) that is the X5000.


    I have placed my trust in the guys that make these decisions as they have not steered us wrong yet.
    The move to X64 does trouble me, as its risky (what is being proposed), but I will follow through with that.

    In the meanwhile I am extremely happy to see these new PPC developments and wholly welcome them.



    Ah well of course, it is their own decision and of course there is no one but Team MorphOS itself that knows what is best for their product! As for the "risky" move to X64... I have no idea what is being propsed, or what the plan is if it has been undisclosed at all. Maybe you know some stuff I do not :)
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    By then you should be able to see if there are Amiga NG choices that make sense for you .So relax for a while.

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    Er, sure I will thanks :D
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    Um, maybe he's pointing out that we need to take this a little less seriously and relax.
    We have a lot of NG options already.
    I, for one, don't want to wear down the developers with too many more requests.

    Look what we have gotten recently.
    A slew of new video drivers.
    A new port to the SAM460.
    And, hopefully soon, a new port to the X5000.

    If this was a commercial venture I'd be trying to get these guys to take a vacation to avoid burning out, not asking things like "when are we going to do 'x'".
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