MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Benchmarks isn't forbidden here so people will find out eventually about them anyway. Maybe MorphOS will be the lesser system. Wanna bet? ;-)
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Benchmarks... why care about benchmarks on irrelevant hardware? Both OS4 and MorphOS are so way behind, and all people care about are benchmarks and framerates of 15 year old games ported from PCs. Are there really noone who wants to see a modern incarnation of the platform?
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    kolla wrote:
    Benchmarks... why care about benchmarks on irrelevant hardware? Both OS4 and MorphOS are so way behind, and all people care about are benchmarks and framerates of 15 year old games ported from PCs. Are there really noone who wants to see a modern incarnation of the platform?


    The MorphOS developers does! :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa schrieb:
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    Yasu wrote:
    Like itix said. Plus, it will give the community some competition on equal terms again :-)


    Well on the corporate sites (AO/AWN/Amigans), once again direct comparisons are being considered "trolling" and "FUD". I doubt many benchmarks will be allowed once MorphOS is available for the two AmigaOne systems.


    The corporate site owners are interested in sales. especially of expensive hardwrae. If the hardware will rock with MorphOS it will be as welcome to them as well. Once the X5000 will be supported officially they cannot hide under a rock, but must allow actual numbers. I am looking happily forward to that.
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    > some bad and shitty game porters from belgium.

    Hermans and De Groote don't port games. Or who do you mean?

    > They just don't have a clue what OS4 is actually about...

    Do you?
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:
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    kolla wrote:
    Benchmarks... why care about benchmarks on irrelevant hardware? Both OS4 and MorphOS are so way behind, and all people care about are benchmarks and framerates of 15 year old games ported from PCs. Are there really noone who wants to see a modern incarnation of the platform?


    The MorphOS developers does! :-)


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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    First traces in release notes:

    "MorphOS/Libs/bugreport.library: Fixed version and revision decoding for e5500 based cores
    MorphOS/Libs/powerpc.library: Report AMCC 4x0 and Freescale e5500 as G3
    MorphOS/C/ShowConfig: Fixed version and revision decoding for e5500 based cores.
    "
    http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.8
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Cego wrote:
    Just look at OS4. There is no philosophy and no vision. They just take everything from everywhere, adapt it and provide it with an OS4 skin. Look at MUI, ReAction, AmiCygnix,...
    They just don't have a clue what OS4 is actually about...


    Why would they need any vision? Shouldn't "Being The Real AmigaOS" be more than enough? :-P
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    > we don't know much real life power of the 50x0. While the PA6T is a pretty
    > castrated chip of low performance this may not be the case for the 50x0.

    "Recent benchmark tests with Warp3D using an XFX RadeonHD 7770 Southern Island graphics card under AmigaOS4.1 have shown the raw power of the P5020 CPU. The infamous Cow3D demo is almost 100% faster on the X5000 compared to any other AmigaOS4 PowerPC hardware and that is with the X5000 running a debug version of the AmigaOS 4.1 kernel which is not optimised for speedy performance."
    http://distrita.com/a-eon-interview-about-amigas-future/
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > we don't know much real life power of the 50x0. While the PA6T is a pretty
    > castrated chip of low performance this may not be the case for the 50x0.

    "Recent benchmark tests with Warp3D using an XFX RadeonHD 7770 Southern Island graphics card under AmigaOS4.1 have shown the raw power of the P5020 CPU. The infamous Cow3D demo is almost 100% faster on the X5000 compared to any other AmigaOS4 PowerPC hardware and that is with the X5000 running a debug version of the AmigaOS 4.1 kernel which is not optimised for speedy performance."
    http://distrita.com/a-eon-interview-about-amigas-future/


    Isn't that to be expected?

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    Cyrus just happens to use the x-kernel exclusively unlike the X1000 which can run either kernel.


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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    > Isn't that to be expected?

    Interesting notion. I neglected to think this might be the X-kernel at work here. Trevor should clarify this, I think.
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  • Jim
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    Another quote from Steve Solie?
    Yes, that does deserve an evil laugh.

    The news on the X5000's performance is heartening.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Another quote from Steve Solie?

    Yes, this quote was discussed here on MorphZone back then:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=917
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  • Jim
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    Thanks, having contributed to that thread you would think I would remember it.

    While I have exchanged a few messages with Steve, and he seems at least enthusiastic, I am unsure of how knowledgable he is.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > While [...] Steve [...] seems at least enthusiastic, I am unsure of how knowledgable he is.

    You're becoming tame ;-)

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11158&forum=3&start=1
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  • Jim
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    Oh, that was mean, wasn't it? ;)

    Um, in explaination, after examining a few of his posts... well I came to the conclusion that his position/title was a little above his competence level.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Isn't that to be expected?

    Interesting notion. I neglected to think this might be the X-kernel at work here. Trevor should clarify this, I think.


    X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.
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  • Butterfly
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    X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

    nope.

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  • Jim
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    >>Well, at least the the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

    Yep, utter fiction, in that part.
    You can box legacy apps, but you are not running them together seamlessly.

    [ Edited by Jim 04.06.2015 - 10:07 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    eliyahu wrote:
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    X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

    nope.

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    You are setting yourself up for disappointment
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  • Butterfly
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    eliyahu wrote:
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    X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

    nope.

    -- eliyahu


    You are setting yourself up for disappointment


    Let the AmigaOS4.x guys hang themselves and laugh at them when it doesn't work, or when it never gets finished and released. It just makes MorphOS users look bad when we pick on them too soon.

    We are much better off just stating the current facts, which all point to big disappointments of the past promises and the lack of current progress in the present day. All promises and very, very little improvements, or new features for the AmigaOS4.x users, while MorphOS keeps adding good features and so many new hardware choices (that can be bought for so little, and out perform anything you can get that runs AmgiaOS4.x).

    I guess some few improvements have been made for AmigaOS4.x, but not many of those are done by Hyperion, it is outside 3rd party developers who get the most done it seems. I wonder what Hyperion is actually doing?

    If they would publish weekly, or even monthly updates of all the programming committed to the AmigaOS4.x code base, like some of the AROS guys are doing publicly, then we would at least know they are doing something.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Now you can pre-order the X5000. The price starts at £1415 (€1915 or $2150) + tax. AmigaOS 4.1 is included, but it doesn't mention MorphOS at all, which I find disappointing.

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  • Jim
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    Yasu wrote:
    Now you can pre-order the X5000. The price starts at £1415 (€1915 or $2150) + tax. AmigaOS 4.1 is included, but it doesn't mention MorphOS at all, which I find disappointing.

    https://m.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd/photos/a.461608890516168.110788.447768335233557/1082048695138848/?type=3&source=48


    >Customers will be able to pre-order their AmigaOne X5000 system

    That doesn't sound like now.

    But the pricing is better than I expected.
    And these are the dual core models.

    Wonder when we will see the quad core and at what premium?

    [ Edited by Jim 02.10.2015 - 21:12 ]
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    takemehomegrandma
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    Yasu wrote:
    (€1915 or $2150) + tax.


    In other words, €2300 or $2580 for EU customers. For the "base system".

    A lot of money that is, considering what you will get.
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