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Haha, bit off topic, sorry about that. Look in LA county for the actual salary if you were interested. We all get a bonus rate depending on the part of the US we are in.


Back on topic, is any mention of the status for MorphOS posted any place at all?

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I haven't seen anything posted regarding a definitive release date for 3.10, but I was hoping that it would be released prior to, or during the Oct. AmiWest Show. I'd like to see it running on an X5000 while I am at the show, but I have no knowledge regarding if it will be ready by then, or not.

Did you post your thoughts/review on the X5000 with AmigaOS to one of the other sites Paul?

I got very bored lately and longing for some Boingball back in my life...

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No Steve I havent, but I was thinking about doing it. It honestly feels like it did back when we first showed off the release of the Pegasos II together that first year it was out at AmigWest. Its still quite a bit behind MorphOS is feel and stabiliety, but as far as AmigaOS goes, well it does have that good old feeling.

Hey Paul,

do you remember this quote by you earlier in this very thread?

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I specially like the last sentence of your quote, which I have moved to just below this sentence of my own.

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I guess you changed your mind about the X5000 since that earlier post.

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Not at all. I didnt pay for my X5000 in the traditional way. I ended up getting rid of a couple classic machines that I upgraded and repaired in trade for the funds to get one. An A4000 with an 040 and several upgrades and an A3000 with the same.

i sold this for have the money for buy my x5000 ... and this made more sed

Amiga 4000 PPC

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Now I know why you're pissed.
That was a mistake.

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Yes, that was a very nice (maybe the nicest A4000 ever), and probably ran AmigaOS4 fast enough to give a fairly satisfactory experience. Actually, probably a great experience for anything except web browsing some intensive websites.

I wonder how the 604e at 366MHz compares to the Efika's @400MHz? I think I remember someone referring to the Efika's CPU as a G2, or G3 class PPC CPU, so I imagine that the Efika would be faster, even if the clock rates were identical.

What I don't understand is why tlosmx would sell his fantastic A4000 w/366MHz 604e & 66MHz 060 accelerator, after he already had purchased an X5000-5020, and the X5000 5040 was only going to be marginally faster. Maybe he thought the 5040 would be close to twice as fast at running Linux PPC, which is his primary OS? Maybe he sold the ultimate A4000 to purchase both the 5020 and 5040 X5000's?

Didn't the RAM speed problems show up on the 5020, or is it only the 5040 that he is complaining about which has the RAM speed problems?

I hope he can recover enough of his investment by selling both X5000 systems, to begin building another ultimate A4000, or save up more money and buy a Talos II, for the ultimate PPC Linux experience.

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Well, according to this page (Efika vs The rest of the world) MPC5200B at 396 MHz it's either on par or slightly faster than PPC 603/604 overclocked to 366/400 MHz.

The 604 core was a deadend at Moto/Freescale/name_of_the_week, all newer CPUs/SOCs can be traced back to the 603.

603/604 are also called G(eneration)2.

The CPUs on Phase5 PPC cards are crippled by a slow RAM interface, a "pure" 604 (say an old Mac or clone) should be able to beat the EFIKA clock for clock.

[ Edited by Kronos 18.09.2017 - 21:06 ]

> I wonder how the 604e at 366MHz compares to the Efika's @400MHz? I think I
> remember someone referring to the Efika's CPU as a G2, or G3 class PPC CPU,
> so I imagine that the Efika would be faster, even if the clock rates were identical.

The core of the MPC5200B is the G2_LE (also called e300c0), which is a slightly enhanced 603e core (also called G2).

http://www.nxp.com/docs/en/reference-manual/G2CORERM.pdf

So in essence, the MPC5200B should be slightly faster per clock than the 603e. The fact that the 604e is also faster per clock than the 603e should be able to at least compensate this. I would like to see proper CPU benchmark results between 604e and MPC5200B myself.

> What I don't understand is why tlosmx would sell his fantastic A4000 [...] after he
> already had purchased an X5000-5020 [...]. Maybe he sold the ultimate A4000
> to purchase both the 5020 and 5040 X5000's?

"was need money for buy the x5000"
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=42094&forum=33&start=200#803082

> Didn't the RAM speed problems show up on the 5020, or is it only the 5040 that he is
> complaining about which has the RAM speed problems?

Isn't that the same twice ("not on the 5020" vs. "only the 5040")? Either way, he clearly complained about both systems, with the X5000/20 being even slower than the X5000/40.

> I hope he can recover enough of his investment by selling both X5000 systems

Does he still own the X5000/20? Or did he sell the X5000/20 to buy the X5000/40?

i sold my x5000/20 (i had it from september 2015 ) a month ago i have the 5040 from september 2016
the ram performances are poor in both machines.
soon i will sell x5000/40 too,no reason for me to have it... all what i sow and was gave to me by this experience make me really disgusting... i dont wanna see nothing more that come from a-eon or amigakit.

for os4 i can will use qemu sam460 or winuae/fsuae, for mos i hope will have one day it running on my g5 quad.

my yesterday video of quad with ubuntu mate 16 video

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> The 604 core was a deadend at Moto/Freescale/name_of_the_week,
> all newer CPUs/SOCs can be traced back to the 603.

The 603 lineage stopped with the e300 (MobileGT / MPC512x and PowerQUICC II Pro / MPC837x) and the e600 (MPC7448 / MPC86xx) short of a decade ago, so has turned out as a dead end as well. The MPC8xx / MPC5xx / e200 and e500 lineages (including e5500 / e6500) which the newer Qorivva and QorIQ P/T (as well as older PowerQUICC III / MPC85xx) are based on are not derived from the 603 / e300 / e600 lineage.

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There opens a great opportunity for you, Jim!

i have already a buyer jim. he is collecting money for it.
i will sell my complete system. X5000/40 is not priceless

Can we get back on topic?

Has any news at all on the status of MorphOS been posted on the machine? For now I have my G5 and X5000 on a KVM but would love to just have the one system up.

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Why don't you talk to one of the developers? Maybe they could use another beta tester.

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I'd love to get in on that, but I don't think the 250X card in my machine will be supported. That and I've never got a reply back from any when in IRC or here in the past. I never thought to ask as a result.

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i'd love to get the opportunity to test MOS for X5000. i've been dying to start running it on my X5K since my pegasos2 is really on its last legs. i'd even be happy to help demo it at amiwest if amigadave can help make sure i point all the cool bits. there are quite a few potential converts at amiwest from both the 68K enthusiasts and (increasingly) disenchanted AOS4 users. and i expect MOS to smoke AOS4 on the X5K in terms of performance.

-- eliyahu

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Well, I did offer to loan you a Radeon HD 6750, but I don't know what state the drivers for the 6000 series are in.
The R600 and R700 drivers should be close enough to release for a functioning beta, but that would mean a switch to something like a 4650 (or 70), or a 4850/70/90 card.

I've shipped the R700 cards I had on hand to Mark, but I'd be willing to source something for a demo.

And a 4870 or 4890 would probably still do well under OS4.1.

Further, we might be lucky, and find that Mark has a serviceable 5000 or higher driver.

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I'd be willing to put in a new drive with it and another video card if it booted right into MorphOS. Switching back the original drive and video card would be simple enough to get OF4.1FE back going when it was done.

Hopefully I can get to Amiwest and find a room to crash in. Heck all I need is a couch.

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You ought to talk to David "AmigaDave" Morris. He probably has a table arranged and may need someone to split a room with.
And it sounds like the hotel is overbooked, so it couldn't hurt to try to work something out.
Besides, I'd be willing to bet that David would love to have a demo X5000 set up.
Heck, makes me wish I could attend.

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See my reply to Acill in the other thread regarding his sharing a room and attending AmiWest. I'm certain we can work something out.