MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
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    Acill wrote:
    Well here's to the hope of MorphOS being released soon for the X5000. I just had an order placed to build me one! Fingers crossed its as nice as my G5 is when I get it next week some time.


    Congrats! (I think)

    Surprising that they will get it built, tested and shipped out to you in only one week, but I imagine that sales of the X5000 aren't so hot that they are literally flying off the shelves and into buyers hands.

    Will you be bringing your new X5000 to AmiWest this year?
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    amigadave wrote:
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    Acill wrote:
    Well here's to the hope of MorphOS being released soon for the X5000. I just had an order placed to build me one! Fingers crossed its as nice as my G5 is when I get it next week some time.


    Congrats! (I think)

    Surprising that they will get it built, tested and shipped out to you in only one week, but I imagine that sales of the X5000 aren't so hot that they are literally flying off the shelves and into buyers hands.

    Will you be bringing your new X5000 to AmiWest this year?


    Sadly no. It's looking like I'll be out of town for work over that weekend.
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    It's out for delivery, any word on MorohOS for it?
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    Acill wrote:
    Sadly no. It's looking like I'll be out of town for work over that weekend.



    Oh nooooooo!

    That is a real shame. No way to reschedule the work commitment to a different day?

    They shouldn't be scheduling you to work weekends, but this is "America", where the greedy rule, and don't give a sh!t about their employees.

    Sorry to read that you won't be at AmiWest this year.
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    amigadave wrote:
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    Acill wrote:
    Sadly no. It's looking like I'll be out of town for work over that weekend.



    Oh nooooooo!

    That is a real shame. No way to reschedule the work commitment to a different day?

    They shouldn't be scheduling you to work weekends, but this is "America", where the greedy rule, and don't give a sh!t about their employees.

    Sorry to read that you won't be at AmiWest this year.


    I work FOR the government, lol. I've left Intel. I've got an x5000 though!
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    I work FOR the government, lol. I've left Intel. I've got an x5000 though!



    Yes, but you are an outside contractor, aren't you? So, not actually a direct employee of the government, but still subject to there whims regarding when they want you to work.

    Actually, I have heard that contractors working for the government or military part of the government, get paid very well, for the work they are doing (hence the huge lobbying efforts by all the military contractors in Washington, to keep the "War Machine" well oiled). That is far off topic though, so we shouldn't get into a discussion about it here.
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    amigadave wrote:
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    Acill wrote:
    I work FOR the government, lol. I've left Intel. I've got an x5000 though!



    Yes, but you are an outside contractor, aren't you? So, not actually a direct employee of the government, but still subject to there whims regarding when they want you to work.

    Actually, I have heard that contractors working for the government or military part of the government, get paid very well, for the work they are doing (hence the huge lobbying efforts by all the military contractors in Washington, to keep the "War Machine" well oiled). That is far off topic though, so we shouldn't get into a discussion about it here.


    Not a contractor, I work directly for the Government. I am a federal DOD civilian. GS-12 Step 4.
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    Googled GS12 step 4.

    https://www.generalschedule.org/GS-12

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    Googled GS12 step 4.

    https://www.generalschedule.org/GS-12

    Internet is amazing. :)




    Haha, bit off topic, sorry about that. Look in LA county for the actual salary if you were interested. We all get a bonus rate depending on the part of the US we are in.


    Back on topic, is any mention of the status for MorphOS posted any place at all?
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    Acill wrote:
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    Tcheko wrote:
    Googled GS12 step 4.

    https://www.generalschedule.org/GS-12

    Internet is amazing. :)




    Haha, bit off topic, sorry about that. Look in LA county for the actual salary if you were interested. We all get a bonus rate depending on the part of the US we are in.


    Back on topic, is any mention of the status for MorphOS posted any place at all?



    I haven't seen anything posted regarding a definitive release date for 3.10, but I was hoping that it would be released prior to, or during the Oct. AmiWest Show. I'd like to see it running on an X5000 while I am at the show, but I have no knowledge regarding if it will be ready by then, or not.
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    Did you post your thoughts/review on the X5000 with AmigaOS to one of the other sites Paul?

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    JKD wrote:
    Did you post your thoughts/review on the X5000 with AmigaOS to one of the other sites Paul?

    I got very bored lately and longing for some Boingball back in my life... :-D



    No Steve I havent, but I was thinking about doing it. It honestly feels like it did back when we first showed off the release of the Pegasos II together that first year it was out at AmigWest. Its still quite a bit behind MorphOS is feel and stabiliety, but as far as AmigaOS goes, well it does have that good old feeling.
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    amigadave
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    Hey Paul,

    do you remember this quote by you earlier in this very thread?

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    Acill wrote:
    We will sure as hell beat them in price for a G5 system over what a X5000 will run! I cant see any reason to spend that kind of money when you can get a fantastic Mac system. If they want to sell those things in significant numbers the price needs to come way down. It cant be even slightly near the X1000 prices!

    yet again they did sell out of those, but know knows.


    I specially like the last sentence of your quote, which I have moved to just below this sentence of my own.

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    Acill wrote: The "Amiga" market is nuts.


    I guess you changed your mind about the X5000 since that earlier post. ;-)
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    amigadave wrote:
    Hey Paul,

    do you remember this quote by you earlier in this very thread?

    Quote:

    Acill wrote:
    We will sure as hell beat them in price for a G5 system over what a X5000 will run! I cant see any reason to spend that kind of money when you can get a fantastic Mac system. If they want to sell those things in significant numbers the price needs to come way down. It cant be even slightly near the X1000 prices!

    yet again they did sell out of those, but know knows.


    I specially like the last sentence of your quote, which I have moved to just below this sentence of my own.

    Quote:

    Acill wrote: The "Amiga" market is nuts.


    I guess you changed your mind about the X5000 since that earlier post. ;-)



    Not at all. I didnt pay for my X5000 in the traditional way. I ended up getting rid of a couple classic machines that I upgraded and repaired in trade for the funds to get one. An A4000 with an 040 and several upgrades and an A3000 with the same.
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    i sold this for have the money for buy my x5000 ... and this made more sed

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    i sold this for have the money for buy my x5000 ... and this made more sed

    Amiga 4000 PPC


    Now I know why you're pissed.
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    Jim wrote:
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    tlosmx wrote:
    i sold this for have the money for buy my x5000 ... and this made more sed

    Amiga 4000 PPC


    Now I know why you're pissed.
    That was a mistake.


    Yes, that was a very nice (maybe the nicest A4000 ever), and probably ran AmigaOS4 fast enough to give a fairly satisfactory experience. Actually, probably a great experience for anything except web browsing some intensive websites.

    I wonder how the 604e at 366MHz compares to the Efika's @400MHz? I think I remember someone referring to the Efika's CPU as a G2, or G3 class PPC CPU, so I imagine that the Efika would be faster, even if the clock rates were identical.

    What I don't understand is why tlosmx would sell his fantastic A4000 w/366MHz 604e & 66MHz 060 accelerator, after he already had purchased an X5000-5020, and the X5000 5040 was only going to be marginally faster. Maybe he thought the 5040 would be close to twice as fast at running Linux PPC, which is his primary OS? Maybe he sold the ultimate A4000 to purchase both the 5020 and 5040 X5000's?

    Didn't the RAM speed problems show up on the 5020, or is it only the 5040 that he is complaining about which has the RAM speed problems?

    I hope he can recover enough of his investment by selling both X5000 systems, to begin building another ultimate A4000, or save up more money and buy a Talos II, for the ultimate PPC Linux experience.
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    amigadave wrote:
    I wonder how the 604e at 366MHz compares to the Efika's @400MHz? I think I remember someone referring to the Efika's CPU as a G2, or G3 class PPC CPU, so I imagine that the Efika would be faster, even if the clock rates were identical.


    Well, according to this page (Efika vs The rest of the world) MPC5200B at 396 MHz it's either on par or slightly faster than PPC 603/604 overclocked to 366/400 MHz.
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    The 604 core was a deadend at Moto/Freescale/name_of_the_week, all newer CPUs/SOCs can be traced back to the 603.

    603/604 are also called G(eneration)2.

    The CPUs on Phase5 PPC cards are crippled by a slow RAM interface, a "pure" 604 (say an old Mac or clone) should be able to beat the EFIKA clock for clock.

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    > I wonder how the 604e at 366MHz compares to the Efika's @400MHz? I think I
    > remember someone referring to the Efika's CPU as a G2, or G3 class PPC CPU,
    > so I imagine that the Efika would be faster, even if the clock rates were identical.

    The core of the MPC5200B is the G2_LE (also called e300c0), which is a slightly enhanced 603e core (also called G2).

    http://www.nxp.com/docs/en/reference-manual/G2CORERM.pdf

    So in essence, the MPC5200B should be slightly faster per clock than the 603e. The fact that the 604e is also faster per clock than the 603e should be able to at least compensate this. I would like to see proper CPU benchmark results between 604e and MPC5200B myself.

    > What I don't understand is why tlosmx would sell his fantastic A4000 [...] after he
    > already had purchased an X5000-5020 [...]. Maybe he sold the ultimate A4000
    > to purchase both the 5020 and 5040 X5000's?

    "was need money for buy the x5000"
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=42094&forum=33&start=200#803082

    > Didn't the RAM speed problems show up on the 5020, or is it only the 5040 that he is
    > complaining about which has the RAM speed problems?

    Isn't that the same twice ("not on the 5020" vs. "only the 5040")? Either way, he clearly complained about both systems, with the X5000/20 being even slower than the X5000/40.

    > I hope he can recover enough of his investment by selling both X5000 systems

    Does he still own the X5000/20? Or did he sell the X5000/20 to buy the X5000/40?
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  • Butterfly
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    i sold my x5000/20 (i had it from september 2015 ) a month ago i have the 5040 from september 2016
    the ram performances are poor in both machines.
    soon i will sell x5000/40 too,no reason for me to have it... all what i sow and was gave to me by this experience make me really disgusting... i dont wanna see nothing more that come from a-eon or amigakit.

    for os4 i can will use qemu sam460 or winuae/fsuae, for mos i hope will have one day it running on my g5 quad.

    my yesterday video of quad with ubuntu mate 16 video

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    > The 604 core was a deadend at Moto/Freescale/name_of_the_week,
    > all newer CPUs/SOCs can be traced back to the 603.

    The 603 lineage stopped with the e300 (MobileGT / MPC512x and PowerQUICC II Pro / MPC837x) and the e600 (MPC7448 / MPC86xx) short of a decade ago, so has turned out as a dead end as well. The MPC8xx / MPC5xx / e200 and e500 lineages (including e5500 / e6500) which the newer Qorivva and QorIQ P/T (as well as older PowerQUICC III / MPC85xx) are based on are not derived from the 603 / e300 / e600 lineage.
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    tlosmx wrote:

    soon i will sell x5000/40


    There opens a great opportunity for you, Jim!

    ;-)
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  • Butterfly
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    i have already a buyer jim. he is collecting money for it.
    i will sell my complete system. X5000/40 is not priceless
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    Acill
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    Can we get back on topic?

    Has any news at all on the status of MorphOS been posted on the machine? For now I have my G5 and X5000 on a KVM but would love to just have the one system up.
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