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I beg to differ.

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Students with venture capital then. ;)

> Students with venture capital then. ;)

They stopped being students (one as PhD, the other dropped out as PhD student) in 2008 right before the formation of the company.

http://www.genode-labs.com/company/founders?lang=en

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I agree, and that's what I meant by using another kernel while keeping what's good in MorphOS/Amiga.

But most people seem to think that using a Unix kernel, means Unix/Linux filesystem, Unix bash + Unix Command lines, XWindow, Unix Windows System, and so on...

Except that you missing my point.
What IS good is what differentiates it
Otherwise, why not use something more mainstream?



[ Edited by Jim 15.05.2016 - 12:49 ]

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Ahem, I beg your pardon... are you responding to Leo or to me?

[ Edited by Raf_MegaByte 10.05.2016 - 03:16 ]

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I probably don't completely understand your point of view Jim, but I also think you might be dismissing my point without thinking of the advantages in the big view, or long run. I am not a developer and don't have any idea how much work is involved to modify the MorphOS Quark kernel to be able to use Linux drivers (lets just use video card drivers as an example), but perhaps spending the required programming time and effort now would be worth it, if it means future Linux drivers would be easily incorporated into the new x64 MorphOS.

If MorphOS is going to have a long life, then doing the extra work now will pay off by saving more work in the future, when new drivers are needed.

The way I see it is if it is possible to modify the MorphOS kernel so it can use Linux drivers (inside the kernel, or outside of the kernel so it can remain a "microkernel"), it will be like adding dozens of Linux programmers to the MorphOS Dev. Team, because those Linux programmers who work on Linux drivers would be working on something that could be included in future MorphOS versions.

[ Edited by amigadave 10.05.2016 - 00:20 ]

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Ahem...?
Sorry, Leo and to some degree David.

Morphos x86 should be linux with Amiga graphics and gui.

Breaking Amiga legacy compatibility compatibility and still use outdated API for basic things like files,memory managment is stupid idea.

AROS is for example worthless crap because it has all the disadvantages of amiga os as lack of memory protection, no drivers, no support for multiple cores, problems with porting and it has not the most important advantage of the Amiga NG binary compatibility.

Thats why, 90% of old API should be replaced with unix, and only amiga graphics and gui should stay.

The sooner we go x86 the better. Just take example from Apple

> Morphos x86 should be linux with Amiga graphics and gui. Breaking Amiga legacy
> compatibility compatibility and still use outdated API for basic things like
> files,memory managment is stupid idea. [...] 90% of old API should be replaced
> with unix, and only amiga graphics and gui should stay.

You don't think the MorphOS team is capable of developing a modern API (save graphics and GUI) for MorphOS/x64?

> AROS is for example worthless crap because it has all the disadvantages of
> amiga os as lack of memory protection, no drivers, no support for multiple cores

AROS is intentionally made API-compatible with AmigaOS 3.x, which isn't supposed to be true for MorphOS/x64.

> it has not the most important advantage of the Amiga NG binary compatibility.

AROS/m68k has ;-)

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There is an easy solution for you.
Buy an PC, install Windows/ Linux on it. Then you have only to use an Amiga theme on Windows/ Linux

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MorphOS using Linux as a kernel would be very different than running Linux + some kind of Amiga theme, just like putting an Aqua theme on Linux doesn't make it MacOS X.

There is a lot more than a theme in OSX, just like there would be a lot more than a MorphOS/Amiga theme if they decided to use a Unix kernel (which they probably won't anyway).

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It would also be different than MorphOS.

This whole Linux discussion is a complete waste of Internet bandwidth anyway...

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Like at least 50% of recent discussions.

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That may be. ;)

I am not sure why this topic bothers me as I am fairly sure the developers have no interest in using a Linux base for MorphOS NG.

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You may are onto something here. :)

there have been already a Linux distro with Amiga theme, Commodore OS Vision! lol

I'm hoping for an ARMiga with MorphOS :)

[ Editiert durch Nimrod1971 11.05.2016 - 19:35 ]

> I might have to wait for the P5040 based variant.

It's approaching:

http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/CyrusPlusPlus2.jpg

Oh yeah!
CPU type P5040.
Nice.

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And crazy pricy.

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I think the word "crazy" sums it up in general...

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Eh "crazy", "amiga" what's the diff?

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Maybe you haven't been a MorphOS user long enough to remember the general feeling most MorphOS users have, or had about the false importance (in their minds) put on the use of the AmigaOne branded name? I just found it slightly amusing to read that you might consider paying over $1,800 for an under powered PPC system, because it would be badged with an AmigaOne name. I know your preference for PPC and understand the advantages and feeling you get when buying something new, opposed to anything used, so don't take this as a knock against you for considering buying an X5000. Heck, I bought an X1000 after all, but for different reasons.

I really thought that the X1000 would possibly be the very last AmigaOne system ever produced, and certainly thought it would be the most powerful new PPC system that would ever be produced as an AmigaOne (as I had no knowledge of the plans to use the "P" series of PPC CPU's for later AmigaOne systems/boards, when I first made my decision to buy the X1000). Who could have predicted what Trevor has now done, after losing thousands of pounds/dollars/euros, from the X1000 project, as he could never recoup the development costs, and personally made very little (if any) profit for himself, from the sales of the X1000. Even after Trevor told me that he planned to keep going with more new PPC systems, and indicated that the next project would be faster, and probably a little less expensive, I went ahead with my X1000 purchase, as I considered it a unique system, with a CPU that had some interesting history (and I initially thought better performance). I don't regret buying my X1000 and still like it for what it is (although it is well known how disappointed in Hyperion and the lack of AmigaOS4.2, I am). The only thing I regret is that MorphOS will most likely never be ported to the X1000, while it will support the X5000. Since we will have an x64 port of MorphOS some time in the future, I don't have a desire to purchase an X5000, just to get a PPC system that can dual boot AmigaOS4.x and MorphOS, with the highest PPC performance available for AmigaOS4.x. I have my dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac to run MorphOS3.9 very fast, so all is good. Sorry for the long winded reply, I ramble on often.

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> I had no knowledge of the plans to use the "P" series of PPC CPU's for later
> AmigaOne systems/boards, when I first made my decision to buy the X1000

These plans were first mentioned by A-Eon at AmiWest 2010.

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=634

> Trevor [...] could never recoup the development costs, and personally made
> very little (if any) profit for himself, from the sales of the X1000.

Either he didn't recoup development costs or he made a profit. I don't see how it can be both at the same time.