> Imagine the scenario where x64 version of MorphOS is available when the X5000 is
> about to be released.

Why imagine a completely unrealistic scenario?

> drop 2500 Euro for brand new hardware which runs Amiga OS

...and MorphOS and Linux.

I guess supporting the X5000 is a step torwards a system jump. Except the PPC, the X5000 use perfectly modern hardware AFAIK. So once they got those stuff working there it will be a lot less work to port to another CPU.

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Hyuk! Somebody has been trying to educate YOU Andreas?
I miss so much when I take off for awhile.

> the X5000 use perfectly modern hardware AFAIK.

DDR3, PCIe v2, SATA2 and USB2 are all at least one generation behind.

> once they got those stuff working there it will be a lot less work to port
> to another CPU.

I don't see how this will benefit an ISA switch, the hard part of which has nothing to do with support for above-mentioned subsystems.

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Because imagination is free :) - and day dreaming gives good vibes

@Andreas_Wolf

Newer gfx cards at least. But if the components are at the same generation as the latest ported PPC Macs you are right.

[ Edited by Yasu 06.10.2015 - 12:37 ]

> Newer gfx cards at least.

Sam460 port would suffice for this, no X5000 port needed :-)

> if the components are at the same generation as the latest ported PPC Macs you are right.

Why compare with those when the Sam460 has the newer components? PowerMac7,3 has DDR1, no PCIe and SATA1 whereas the Sam460 has DDR2, PCIe v1 and SATA2. So in this regard, the Sam460 is closer to the X5000 than the PowerMac7,3.

In summary:

DDR1, no PCIe, SATA1, USB2 -> PowerMac7,3
DDR2, PCIe v1, SATA2, USB2 -> Sam460
DDR3, PCIe v2, SATA2, USB2 -> AmigaOne X5000
DDR4, PCIe v3, SATA3, USB3 -> current standards

With that said, I still doubt that the support of DDR3 (vs. DDR2) and PCIe v2 (vs. PCIe v1) will really help the ISA switch.

@Andreas_Wolf

You are right again. I should have looked at the specs instead of posting assumptions.

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Indeed, you write drivers for specific controllers, not generic "generations". Then we of course have underlying technology changes that might need to be addressed as well (like USB3 in Poseidon for example)...

> you write drivers for specific controllers, not generic "generations".

This runs contrary to the idea of UHCI/OHCI/EHCI/XHCI in case of USB and AHCI in case of SATA.

> Then we of course have underlying technology changes that might
> need to be addressed as well

...and usually come with "generation" shift.

All nice, but PCIe and DDR2/3 RAM are things that matter on a HW level, and to some extent for the firmware.

A driver would be written for say the R700 series and it would than look wether Quark had found such a device somewhere.

Wether it's connected to PCIe or otherwise is off little concern to the driver.

> PCIe and DDR2/3 RAM are things that matter on a HW level, and to some extent for the firmware.

Even more reason that X5000 support cannot be seen as step towards an ISA switch.

> Wether it's connected to PCIe or otherwise is off little concern to the driver.

But there has to be code in the OS for the actual PCIe controller, right?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11249&forum=11&start=9

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What rock have you been hiding under? A-Eon and the people behind that company have never wished MorphOS and its users and developers any ill will. The founding member of A-Eon, Trevor Dickenson, even has several MorphOS systems and has written about his use of them, including complimenting MorphOS and its developers, on his blog, or spoke about them in person at different events.

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More like, what rock have you been under?

No mention of MorphOS:
https://m.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd/photos/a.461608890516168.110788.447768335233557/1082048695138848/?type=3&source=48

No mention of MorphOS, but rather a Debian mention:
https://m.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd/photos/a.461608890516168.110788.447768335233557/1083129291697455/?type=3&refid=17

It looks as though A-Eonkit may be backtracking on their promises:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=11137&post_id=121499&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&showonepost=1

Day to day operations of A-Eonkit are not run by Trevor. He may actually personally like MorphOS and be friendly, but his company does not operate in such a manner.

[ Edited by redrumloa 07.10.2015 - 06:55 ]

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Nope, except for USB, the Macs are one generation behind.
And we don't have support for PCI-e G5s, which will only take up to an R500 video card anyway unless the drivers are written like the R500 driver and don't require an Apple rom.

@ Red and thread,

Don't worry A-eon is doing its part.
Once the machines are available to the public (which they aren't) our developers will have to formally announce a revision with X5000 support.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Just before this derails any further into lala-land...

A-EON have been supportive and helpful in getting MorphOS supported on the X5000, both in terms of hardware and software. They lent us a P5020DS as well as shipped X5000 motherboards completely free of charge to both me and Frank, and they've offered their support where they could with regards to software as well.

In fact we (the MorphOS Team) have only recently been able to offer A-EON a beta version of MorphOS to run on the X5000 very recently, so obviously A-EON haven't been able to publish their own screenshots of MorphOS running on the X5000, nor have they been able to write first hand about it.

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I'm guessing there's a language barrier here. What is meant is that A-EON have offered to sell pre-release systems to any MorphOS developers or testers who were interested. I know at least one person took them up on that offer and got the machine as well, so nothing bad at all to be said there.

Again let me point out that the Debian demonstration is not on the X5000.
The fun part of your post is image it inspires of the first batch of five hundred X5000 motherboards selling out like hot cakes to AmigaOS fans.
The truth may be that many of us secretly or otherwise want to get our hands on one of these .

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Oh, and Spectre660... You were the one with Sam460 network problems earlier in this thread, right? I'll PM you my email address, and if you're up for it, I can send you some test versions of the driver to try. Hopefully we can get this sorted out for you.

> except for USB, the Macs are one generation behind.

In case of the memory controller of the PowerMac7,3 it's even two generations (DDR3 vs. DDR1).

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Good point.

@ Bigfoot - Thanks for the clarification Mark.

Thanks.

Response sent .


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I stand corrected. If Bigfoot is happy, I am happy. Glad to hear they are supportive after all and I read into things wrong.

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I think that AEON play the game greatly i think that the X5000 support is not a problem for morphos, the more machine we support the more users we will have

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if you're looking for a third-party tester, let me know.

-- eliyahu