MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
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    outrun1978
    Posts: 28 from 2018/7/8
    @jim

    More on the graphics cards i was going to try out today

    Sadly the R600 that turned up off Ebay didn't work and i didnt realise that the Radeon HD 4890 was so huge it couldn't fit inside the X5000 properly without it knocking over the sata connections to the motherboard, so looks like I will be sticking with the Radeon 1550 card for the time being.

    Spent a good part of today setting things up and installing/transferring things over in MorphOS and have to say really impressed with the speed of MorphOS on the X5000. Its very stable with hardly any instances of having to reset the machine. Odyssey is lightning quick, a SFS partition can be shared on the same drive between my OS4 setup and MorphOS to bounce between the two which is nice.

    Have found Joystick support a little odd on MorphOS in comparison to AmigaOS. Was expecting my Logitech F-310 which was working on the Mac Mini G4 I was testring out, but the X5000 doesn't seem to want to play ball. Fortunately I have a few other USB joysticks in the 8BitDo and the Xeox Pro Analog which work. See there is support for X360 joypads too :-)
  • »18.07.18 - 16:15
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2531 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    outrun1978 wrote:
    See there is support for X360 joypads too :-)



    Do note that the 360 driver also handles XBoxOne and PS4 Dualshock gamepads.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11462 from 2003/5/22
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    > a SFS partition can be shared on the same drive between my
    > OS4 setup and MorphOS

    Just make sure to use a dedicated partition for this and not any partition that has MorphOS system files, OS4 system files or otherwise important data. See this and follow-up comments.
  • »18.07.18 - 20:50
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    outrun1978
    Posts: 28 from 2018/7/8
    Hi Andreas

    Thanks for the heads up and link about this, Although am not really a fan of reading pages of tirades against members. it is the single most offputting aspect about the Amiga forums in general.

    Just for clarity about my set up on my X5000. MorphOS sits on one drive and AmigaOS sits on another. I have one 30GB partition on that OS4 drive which is SFS and just use it to transfer files so far it has not been an issue but am aware of the potential risks. All other partitions on that OS4 drive are NGFS. One potential issue for any OS4 users using NGFS is the long file names which then have to be re-saved under a shorter file name in SFS for it to save to the SFS drive.

    The System partition on my MorphOS is viewable in Amiga OS 4 however I have taken the option to hide this to prevent any accidental issues.

    Will also test out the Xbox one joypad I have later too 😊
  • »19.07.18 - 06:05
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    outrun1978
    Posts: 28 from 2018/7/8
    updated my blog post with the following post

    https://amigax5000.blog/2018/07/19/morphos-3-11/
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > am not really a fan of reading pages of tirades against members.

    Huh? That's certainly not what my link was supposed to be about.

    > MorphOS sits on one drive and AmigaOS sits on another. I have one 30GB
    > partition on that OS4 drive which is SFS and just use it to transfer files

    That should be a safe setup.

    > One potential issue for any OS4 users using NGFS is the long file names
    > which then have to be re-saved under a shorter file name in SFS for it to
    > save to the SFS drive.

    What file name length does NGFS support?
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  • »20.07.18 - 23:54
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    outrun1978
    Posts: 28 from 2018/7/8
    looking good. :-)

    For anyone else curious about MorphOS on the X5000, I've swapped across to a Radeon 1650 card with 512MB which is giving me better 3D performance than the X1550 although sadly it had some issues with DVI output so this is being displayed with VGA output. Again the card only cost me £8.00 on Ebay so if anyone reading this is curious to try this out on their X5000's, I would consider giving it a go.

    I do have a question in regards to the ACE (Amstrad) emulator if anyone with an X5000 has managed to try it out. It loads with no issue on my Mac Mini G4 but for some reason this will not run on the X5000. Is there a likely cause for this or does the program only support a G4 processor?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
    If anyone is interested in a Cyrus Plus/X5000 for Morphos, you may want to start watching eBay. It seems some OS4 users are giving up and dumping their X5000. The last one sold for roughly half the price of a new one.

    [ Edited by redrumloa 21.08.2018 - 16:12 ]
  • »21.08.18 - 16:55
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    Posts: 472 from 2003/11/24
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    Quote:

    outrun1978 wrote:
    The Radeon 7750 is in an anti static bag in safe keeping until you guys are able to support it. Installed a Radeon X1550 on it last night and will try out a Radeon x600 and Radeon HD4890 today. My idea is to have some sort of happy medium across all 3 platforms, AmigaOS,Linux and MorphOS. I realise that it won’t do everything you want to yet but you have to sacrifice something.



    Situation with gfx on all 3 sides makes it currently hardly possible. Maybe x600 and x1xxx might do the magic.
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    Spectre660
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    Twisty,Twisty.
    Seller says he does not have enough time in the day to enjoy .
    I appreciate his situation .
    I escape this by using my X5000 at work.

    Now were did that previous post by TMG go ?



    [ Edited by Spectre660 21.08.2018 - 14:43 ]
  • »21.08.18 - 17:41
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    Best 3D support that you can get on an X5000 currently is maximum 2 out of the three supported OS'es. For AmigaOS 4.1 and Linux you need 2 video cards .
    And no current AmigaOS 4.1 and Morphos 3D option.


    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    Quote:

    outrun1978 wrote:
    The Radeon 7750 is in an anti static bag in safe keeping until you guys are able to support it. Installed a Radeon X1550 on it last night and will try out a Radeon x600 and Radeon HD4890 today. My idea is to have some sort of happy medium across all 3 platforms, AmigaOS,Linux and MorphOS. I realise that it won’t do everything you want to yet but you have to sacrifice something.



    Situation with gfx on all 3 sides makes it currently hardly possible. Maybe x600 and x1xxx might do the magic.






    [ Edited by Spectre660 21.08.2018 - 15:19 ]
  • »21.08.18 - 17:47
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11462 from 2003/5/22
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    > Nemo/X5000 for Morphos

    That would be Cyrus Plus. Nemo is the X1000 board, which MorphOS doesn't run on.
  • »21.08.18 - 19:18
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Nemo/X5000 for Morphos

    That would be Cyrus Plus. Nemo is the X1000 board, which MorphOS doesn't run on.


    Whoops! You would be correct. I'll fix my post.
  • »21.08.18 - 20:11
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
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    Spectre660 wrote:
    Twisty,Twisty.
    Seller says he does not have enough time in the day to enjoy .
    I appreciate his situation .
    I escape this by using my X5000 at work.

    Now were did that previous post by TMG go ?




    No twisting, just observing. Why buy something only to almost immediately dump it at fire sale prices if all was rosy?

    Heck, anytime a Pegasos II goes up for sale it easily gets well above original MSRP. If a full Pegasos II system was listed on eBay right now it would probably get the same price as this X5000.
  • »21.08.18 - 20:16
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    Spectre660
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    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:
    Twisty,Twisty.
    Seller says he does not have enough time in the day to enjoy .
    I appreciate his situation .
    I escape this by using my X5000 at work.

    Now were did that previous post by TMG go ?




    No twisting, just observing. Why buy something only to almost immediately dump it at fire sale prices if all was rosy?

    Heck, anytime a Pegasos II goes up for sale it easily gets well above original MSRP. If a full Pegasos II system was listed on eBay right now it would probably get the same price as this X5000.


    New X5000/20 boards are available and X5000/40 boards are due so the only reason to pay top price would be if this one saves on shipping due to the location . If not then he would need to lower the price to make it attractive .
  • »21.08.18 - 20:26
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    outrun1978
    Posts: 28 from 2018/7/8
    I think the majority of X5000 users are happy with the machine myself included. The next generation Amiga scene in general is a work in progress no matter which operating system you decide to run and so long as you are aware and happy with this realisation and accept that due to the low installed user base progress is not as quick as we would all like, then I think personally you will get a lot out of it espcially in comparison to a owning classic Amiga setup.

    I won’t lie but I am getting more mileage out of MorphOS than I am AmigaOS 4 at present and Linux hasn’t had much of a look in at all over the past two months. Reasons behind this I would probably say are down to an updated browser and good playback with Mplayer In MorphOS compared to their AmigaOS 4 and Linux equivalents.

    However AmigaOS 4 still gets quite a lot of use especially for things like Snes9x and Atari++ which run better than their MorphOS counterparts. I much prefer the ease of Tunenet in OS4 over Aminet Radio .

    Some things run better in one and some things run better in the other, but the advantage of the X5000 is that it is one of the few machines out there and available to buy that can run both AmigaOS 4 MorphOS and various Linux distributions all in one box.

    Lots of people like to moan about it’s price and of course for some depending on where you live in the World and your purchasing power it probably is, but if people are deciding to sell their systems on EBay for less than retail price then perhaps one should look at it as a opportunity to snap up a pretty unique system at a knockdown price rather than assume that because someone is selling the system isn’t much cop. 😉
  • »21.08.18 - 20:42
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    zukow
    Posts: 603 from 2005/2/9
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    I understand that Tunenet is better than Aminetradio but what about Snes9x? Why OS4 version is better?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > the X5000 [...] is one of the few machines out there and available to buy that can
    > run both AmigaOS 4 MorphOS and various Linux distributions all in one box.

    It's even the only machine newly available to buy that can do so.
  • »21.08.18 - 21:08
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Stevo
    Posts: 850 from 2004/1/24
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    Quote:

    zukow wrote:
    I understand that Tunenet is better than Aminetradio but what about Snes9x? Why OS4 version is better?


    Tunenet better that AmiNetRadio? Never :-P

    [ Edited by Stevo 21.08.2018 - 23:21 ]
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  • »21.08.18 - 21:20
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    outrun1978
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    @zukow

    The HunoPPC port of SNES 9X on OS4 allows for better quality resolution filters. The GUI on the OS4 version is also a lot nicer too.

    The MorphOS version appears a little lacking in comparison

    For those who are curious my blog post from last year covers this

    https://amigax5000.blog/2017/06/24/snes9x-super-nintendo-emulator/





    [ Edited by outrun1978 21.08.2018 - 22:45 ]
  • »21.08.18 - 21:44
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    outrun1978
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    And my preference for Tunenet over Aminet Radio is simply down to the preconfigured shoutcast streams. Unless I have missed something with Aminet Radio and the set up of it, the scan of streams doesn’t seem to work and I have to enter in Radio streams manually.



    [ Edited by outrun1978 21.08.2018 - 22:54 ]
  • »21.08.18 - 21:51
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  • MorphOS Developer
    zukow
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    But BeWorld ported Huno's port to Morphos.
    http://www.morphos-storage.net/dl.php?dir=Emulation&file=Snes9x_1.53.lha


    and
    1511.jpeg

    this tab is most ugly piece of UI i've ever seen :)

    ... but ok, Amigainput tab could be useful.

    [ Edited by zukow 22.08.2018 - 00:19 ]
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    Doffo
    Posts: 487 from 2010/10/14
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    Anyone got any kind of benchmarks of anything with MorphOS running on the x5000?? Can be anything really. Just need to see if the x5000 is lets say twice as fast as a Mirror Drive Mac or if it is the same or even slower?
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