MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Correction:

    >> the x16 slot only has [...] connected [...] 4 lanes. But the data sheet [...] speaks
    >> about many controllers but *not available simultaneously* (depends on HW
    >> configuration perhaps?), so with the known other features of the Tabor, does
    >> x4 lanes for graphics sound reasonable?

    > Yes, it sounds reasonable to me that one of the three PCIe controllers uses
    > four of the six SerDes lanes.

    I don't know what I was thinking two years ago when I answered that question, but of course it doesn't sound reasonable at all to use 4 out of 6 available SerDes lanes for PCIe, and also use 2x SATA and GbE from the P1022 which requires 3 more SerDes lanes, adding up to 7 required SerDes lanes in total.

    More details:
    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12151&forum=11&start=39

    Edit: mystery solved

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 15.06.2018 - 13:16 ]
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Correction:

    >> the x16 slot only has [...] connected [...] 4 lanes. But the data sheet [...] speaks
    >> about many controllers but *not available simultaneously* (depends on HW
    >> configuration perhaps?), so with the known other features of the Tabor, does
    >> x4 lanes for graphics sound reasonable?

    > Yes, it sounds reasonable to me that one of the three PCIe controllers uses
    > four of the six SerDes lanes.

    I don't know what I was thinking two years ago when I answered that question, but of course it doesn't sound reasonable at all to use 4 out of 6 available SerDes lanes for PCIe, and also use 2x SATA and GbE from the P1022 which requires 3 more SerDes lanes, adding up to 7 required SerDes lanes in total.

    More details:
    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12151&forum=11&start=39


    Hey, don't beat yourself up over that, I pretty much ignored Tabor until the discussions about the X5000's limitations started.
    Then I thought 'wait a minute, how many lanes can the P1022 provide?'.
    It doesn't add up, does it?
    They could be using something that multiplexes or switches PCI-E lanes, but not having a complete set of specs on Tabor, I don't know.
    Didn't we have a screenshot of that board at one time?
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    > They could be using something that multiplexes or switches PCI-E lanes

    Of course, they could be using a PCIe bridge to multiplex 2 input lanes to 4 output lanes, but I don't think anything could be won by multiplexing or switching lanes that all go to the very same slot anyway. They could as well multiplex 2 input lanes to 16 output lanes and claim a fully connected x16 slot ;-)

    > Didn't we have a screenshot of that board at one time?

    A screenshot of a board? :-) There's a shot in the A-Eon press release linked to in my comment you quoted the link to above, but it doesn't help me to identify the solution to this mystery. A block diagram would come in handy.
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    > Same goes for MorphOS port, I have no doubts it will support more out of box
    > (proper SATA and Ethernet driver [...])

    Does MorphOS 3.10 support the GbE controller of the P5020? I couldn't find anything in the release notes.
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    So Aaron Smith over at Amiga on the Lake is trying very hard to get in touch with somone frm the MorphOS team that will give him a proven hardware configuration for the X5000 that will be compatible. He wants to sell pre configured machines with MorphOS on them and include a full licensed working system. They have yet to reply back to him. It seems like a huge miss here for them to generate some sales. if anyone can help out and get them in touch it would be great to see!!!
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    Well, you know how to get in touch with me, and he's free to email me. But in general a good combinatio of hardware would be a Radeon HD 6450 or Radeon R5 230 on the graphics side, and a Realtek 8168/8169/8111/whichever on the network side.

    The two Radeons are basically the same card, just rebranded. Both passively cooled (yay) and both available brand new from stores for 40-50 euro.

    Unfortunately for the Realtek card, there's a hundred different variants of this card, and I can't guarantee that they'll all work. However, if he does manage to get hold of a card that doesn't work, then we can debug it remotely.
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    >> Does MorphOS 3.10 support the GbE controller of the P5020?

    > [...] a Realtek 8168/8169/8111/whichever on the network side

    I take this as a no ;-)
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    I really hope the Radeon 7750 is supported at some point. I'd hate to have to downgrade to a worse GPU (paying for even more hardware) to support an OS that was released to be compatible with the X5000. The fleet of current X5000 owners have the 7750. Very frustrating, though I do appreciate all the developers' efforts at building a compatible OS.
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    I know how difficult it is to support the many wide range of Radeon chipsets. Hans de Ruiter spends many months writing driver code full time for A-EON. AMD's release schedule of new chipsets is continuous and this has forced us to move to Polaris for the next forthcoming driver release.

    Credit where credit is due: Bigfoot has done remarkably well here to support the list of cards published in the 3.10 release notes whilst juggling the other development work associated with this large release. We are very grateful for the help and support both he and Frank have extended to us with the X5000 product.
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >> Does MorphOS 3.10 support the GbE controller of the P5020?

    > [...] a Realtek 8168/8169/8111/whichever on the network side

    I take this as a no ;-)


    IMHO, supporting the integrated network controller would be a huge waste of time (if it couldn’t be done very quick and easy thanks to some open code/documentation or whatever). P5020 is a dead-end, in very limited numbers, and AeonKit puts 8139 cards in the systems anyway (though 100 megabit only). However, they did it on the Sam460, so...
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    Quote:

    amigakit wrote:
    this has forced us to move to Polaris for the next forthcoming driver release.


    Did you mean to say “extend to Polaris”/“include Polaris as well”?

    Or does “move” mean “migrate” like in “leave/drop the old and move to something new”?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > the chances of MorphOS running on X5000 are practically nil [...].
    > Just say a little bird told me.

    Been talking to that bird lately? :-)
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    > IMHO, supporting the integrated network controller would be a huge waste of time
    > (if it couldn’t be done very quick and easy thanks to some open code/documentation
    > or whatever). P5020 is a dead-end

    DPAA is used in T2080 (and T1022/T1042) as well :-)
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > IMHO, supporting the integrated network controller would be a huge waste of time
    > (if it couldn’t be done very quick and easy thanks to some open code/documentation
    > or whatever). P5020 is a dead-end

    DPAA is used in T2080 (and T1022/T1042) as well :-)



    Yep. Dead-end... ;-)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >> DPAA is used in T2080 (and T1022/T1042) as well :-)

    > Yep. Dead-end... ;-)

    ...and in ARM-based QorIQ Layerscape SoCs :-)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Nice Video.

    Perhaps time to see if A-Eon and some of the X5000 dealers are interested in providing some tangible support for fast tracking MorphOS Radeon SI support .
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Also the Sam460 SDcard img can be used to boot the X5000 instead of the MorphOS 3.10 CD.
    Image can be written to a USB thumb drive.
    Boot by entering the X5000 U-boot command line and entering :
    usb reset ; run mos
    Then pressing Enter key on your keyboard
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    Any Performance #'s or examples of the X5000 with Morphos compared to the G5 Macs?
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    Quote:

    AyoS wrote:
    Any Performance #'s or examples of the X5000 with Morphos compared to the G5 Macs?


    It's pretty much apples vs oranges competition when it comes to available gfx cards for instance. But when it comes to raw CPU power we have f.ex. RC5/OGR benchmarks:

    OGR-NG:
    PowerMac G5 2,7 GHz 42,445,595 nodes/sec (using its fastest crunching "core" - KOGE 3.1 Hybrid)
    PowerMac G5 2,7 GHz 22,812,159 nodes/sec (using crunching "core" - Scalar)
    AmigaOne X5000/040 2,2 GHz 22,245,376 nodes/sec (using its fastest crunchng "core" - Scalar)
    AmigaOne X5000/020 2,0 GHz 20,136,464 nodes/sec (using its fastest crunching "core" - Scalar)

    RC5-72:
    PowerMac G5 2,7 GHz 19,692,869 keys/sec (using its fastest "core" - KKS 7450)
    AmigaOne X5000/040 2,2 GHz 6,182,771 keys/sec (using its fastest "core" - KKS 604e)
    PowerMac G5 2,7 GHz 5,837,713 keys/sec (using "core" KKS 604e)
    AmigaOne X5000/020 2,0 GHz 5,590,276 keys/sec (using its fastest "core" - KKS 604e)

    I'm personally counting on comparative benchmarks made on the same computer.
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    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:
    Also the Sam460 SDcard img can be used to boot the X5000 instead of the MorphOS 3.10 CD.
    Image can be written to a USB thumb drive.
    Boot by entering the X5000 U-boot command line and entering :
    usb reset ; run mos
    Then pressing Enter key on your keyboard


    Thank you for your suggestion. How can I write the image on usb media? Thank you again.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Any Performance #'s or examples of the X5000 with Morphos
    > compared to the G5 Macs?

    See comment #594 for CPU and memory benchmark comparison, done with MorphOS 3.9 on PowerMac7,3 and a January 2016 development version of MorphOS 3.10 on the X5000.
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    You can do it from AmigaOS 4.1 with the rawdisk command.
    You need to make sure that you are writing to the right USB device. eg USB0: or USB1:
    Use a USB 2.0 device .


    rawdisk from morphos-3.10.hdimg to USB1:

    Quote:

    Fogg_80 wrote:
    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:
    Also the Sam460 SDcard img can be used to boot the X5000 instead of the MorphOS 3.10 CD.
    Image can be written to a USB thumb drive.
    Boot by entering the X5000 U-boot command line and entering :
    usb reset ; run mos
    Then pressing Enter key on your keyboard


    Thank you for your suggestion. How can I write the image on usb media? Thank you again.




    [ Edited by Spectre660 17.04.2018 - 08:28 ]
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Aaron Smith over at Amiga on the Lake

    ...created a video showing how to install MorphOS 3.10 on the X5000 a week ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfkB6yN-58


    The volume on that video is too low for me to hear correctly.
    Other YouTube videos work fine, so I'm not sure what is up there.
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