MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
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    Addendum:

    > the incompatibility of the e500v2 core is the reason the UltimatePPC has been
    > put on hold (or cancelled?).

    Interestingly, two years ago and more than one year after the UltimatePPC team announced they would eventually reconsider their choice of CPU, Trevor Dickinson reached out to them:

    http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=919823
    http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=919837

    Any guesses what they talked about? :-)
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    @Andreas_Wolf

    You forgot to quote and approve the new official name that I 've given to MOS NG :P

    Regarding the game, do you have any additional details such as recommended specs (cause Steam reports cpu >2Ghz), cost & pre-order option? Graphically speaking, will it be just like the windows version? How the hell it was ported since it is based on Unity? And last but not least, is there a list of MorphOS compatible flight joysticks? Cause I 'll sure will be needing one :P
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    > do you have any additional details such as recommended specs (cause Steam reports
    > cpu >2Ghz), cost & pre-order option? Graphically speaking, will it be just like the
    > windows version? How the hell it was ported since it is based on Unity?

    Unfortunately no. All I know is from there:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2015-10-00032-DE.html
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Uh, because the e500v2 IS a step backwards.
    What part of that didn't you get?
    Of all the alternatives possible, A-eon picks one of the poorest ones.



    I just don't get it. So much of OS4 land is an alternate universe where getting slower and more expensive is an achievement. If you try to make sense of it, you are "trolling".
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    We're probably to the point this question warrants a new thread, but I'll try here first.

    It sounds to me that the X5000 is in the hands of not just MorphOS developers, but at least a handful of beta testers too? This weekend MorphOS was just demoed on the X5000.

    So... Could someone kindly start posting benchmarks? I have a genuine curiosity here. It has been a full decade since the last PowerMac G5, can this X5000 beat one in any category besides power consumption and noise? I'd hope there are no NDAs blocking the posting of such benchmarks.

    [ Edited by redrumloa 12.10.2015 - 08:48 ]
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    Quote:

    Cool_amigaN wrote:
    @Andreas_Wolf

    You forgot to quote and approve the new official name that I 've given to MOS NG :P

    Regarding the game, do you have any additional details such as recommended specs (cause Steam reports cpu >2Ghz), cost & pre-order option? Graphically speaking, will it be just like the windows version? How the hell it was ported since it is based on Unity? And last but not least, is there a list of MorphOS compatible flight joysticks? Cause I 'll sure will be needing one :P


    Daytona has already stated that he will be using his own rendering routines for Tower57 ports to AmigaNG platforms. I would assume that it will be the same for the Wings Remastered port, not a port of the Unity game engine to any AmigaNG platform.
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    > I would assume that it will be [...] not a port of the Unity game engine to any AmigaNG platform.

    Correct.

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40603&forum=16&start=20#770033
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40621&forum=32#770288
    http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=797272
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    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    We're probably to the point this question warrants a new thread, but I'll try here first.

    It sounds to me that the X5000 is in the hands of not just MorphOS developers, but at least a handful of beta testers too? This weekend MorphOS was just demoed on the X5000.

    So... Could someone kindly start posting benchmarks? I have a genuine curiosity here. It has been a full decade since the last PowerMac G5, can this X5000 beat one in any category besides power consumption and noise? I'd hope there are no NDAs blocking the posting of such benchmarks.


    Its a little premature, the port is not (to the best of my knowledge) 100% ready for distribution.
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    > this ever-shrinking "market" that is probably already all-saturated by the X1000

    Considering that, according to Trevor Dickinson at AmiWest 2015, the X1000/Nemo has sold out in September 2015, the market does not seem completely saturated at least :-) They will start with a batch of 500 boards with P5020.
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    The awesome thing about MorphOS on the X5000 is it will be ready to go before an offical release of 4.1FE is! From what I saw of 4.1FE being installed on a beta testers machine this weekend it has a lot of work left to make it a fluid process. It never got installed on the machine the user was setting up.

    This doesnt mean its bad, but it could be the machine had a problem with the board. It would be impressive if MOS came out before and worked as well as it does on the hardware we currently have it on!
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    Qestion is though if A-Eon would release the board with only MorphOS working on it. They might as you don't have to pay for MorphOS to try it out while waiting for their copy of AmigaOS (just like X1000 users got a 4.2 license while using 4.1).

    On the other hand, Trevor is mainly an AmigaOS 4 guy (he doesn't hide or appologise for that) so maybe he will wait anyway. I hope for the first while suspecting the latter.
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    I geuss they will release the board not without OS4 meaning not before it ships with it. Maybe there will be some updates later on but I can not imagine that they release the "OS4 board" without OS4 running on it. Otherwise they would loose many customers to MOS and as A-Eon is a company closer to OS4 than MOS they will probably wait for it. And as I read MOS does not fully install on it yet too. There are still works to do on the installation process and details. So there is more work for the MOS team as well. Means we do not know which one is earlier ready on it: OS4 or MOS. I think the board will come out when OS4 is ready, maybe when both are at the same time.
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    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    On the other hand, Trevor is mainly an AmigaOS 4 guy (he doesn't hide or appologise for that) so maybe he will wait anyway. I hope for the first while suspecting the latter.

    Based on the remarks he made at AmiWest, A-Eon will wait for OS4 to be completed for the X5000 before they ship any mainboards to end consumers, which seems reasonable given that the hardware was designed to run this specific operating systems.
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Uh, because the e500v2 IS a step backwards.
    What part of that didn't you get?
    Of all the alternatives possible, A-eon picks one of the poorest ones.



    I fear that this impression (or reality) will always trouble the creation of custom hardware for any NG Amiga inspired platform, because the time it takes to design and produce such custom hardware is always going to be measured in many months, if not years, so by the time any custom hardware is announced, there will always be something newer and better announced, or available.

    As Trevor and others have tried to explain, the choice of the P1022 was made due to availability at the time A-Eon's choices had to be made. Hindsight is always going to look better and sometimes, the choice made may not turn out to be the best available when looking backward. It is always a gamble, specially when committing to purchase in quantities such as 500 units for the Cyrus+ boards and CPU's, and 1,000 units for the Tabor boards and P1022 CPU's.

    A-Eon now has to make the best of those choices and hope they can deliver a product that Amiga users will want to purchase. Time will tell if their gamble will be profitable, break even, or lose money due to poor sales. As a friend of Trevor's, I hope that he is successful, but I also hope that he succeeds so that he can continue to go forward and produce future systems for our community. The Amiga community would be a duller place if A-Eon were to fail and close their operations some time in the next few years.
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    Quote:

    Acill wrote:
    It would be impressive if MOS came out before and worked as well as it does on the hardware we currently have it on!

    It might very well be impressive but MorphOS 3.10 will feature other improvements than X5000 support. Unless these are ready to be published for all target platforms, 3.10 is not likely to be released.
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    I wouldnt expect the board to ship without OS4 being ready for it, I just meant it would be awesome to know MorphOS would be ready the day it does ship if things continue as fast as they are.

    Also, here is a real nice show of the X5000 in a custom case I took.

    https://goo.gl/photos/o6kPoFG3ky587Yxk9

    [ Edited by Acill 20.10.2015 - 14:48 ]
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    > the choice of the P1022 was made due to availability at the time A-Eon's choices
    > had to be made. Hindsight is always going to look better and sometimes, the
    > choice made may not turn out to be the best available when looking backward.

    I wouldn't say it is a hindsight 20/20 thing in this case. In hindsight, the choice of the PA6T for the X1000 probably wasn't the best one (bad availability, too expensive, weaker than expected), but it was the most sensible choice back when the decision was made. With the e500v2-based P1022 I can't think what came over them as the technical implications of attempting to run legacy code on this core had been discussed before (see e.g. UltimatePPC fiasco).

    > It is always a gamble [...] when committing to purchase in quantities such as [...]
    > 1,000 units for the [...] P1022 CPU's.

    Purchasing a fully compatible Applied Micro CPU or waiting for sample availability of the fully compatible Freescale QorIQ T1 would have been much less of a gamble in my opinion.
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    > what about the PCIe slot? Pavlor say it's v1.0 (250MB/s per lane).

    Yes, that's what Freescale says:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=site:freescale.com+p1022+pcie+1.0a

    Interestingly, AmigaKit claims the following:

    "the A1222 has [...] Gen 2 PCI Express."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40622&forum=2&start=840#772338

    How that could be possible I don't know.


    Edit:
    The press release at http://www.a-eon.biz/news/News_Release_A1222.pdf correctly mentions "PCIe gen 1".

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 02.11.2015 - 00:29 ]
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    Unfortunately, he didn't reveal the specific benchmarks he used nor any relative or absolute figures.


    If you want I can run some specific ones on my X5000, but only under MorphOS control.
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    dnetc:

    Code:

    [Jan 16 14:59:34 UTC] Automatic processor type detection did not
    recognize the processor (tag: "MOS:0x8024")
    [Jan 16 14:59:34 UTC] OGR-NG: using core #0 (KOGE 3.1 Scalar).
    [Jan 16 14:59:53 UTC] OGR-NG: Benchmark for core #0 (KOGE 3.1 Scalar)
    0.00:00:16.41 [19,317,474 nodes/sec]
    [Jan 16 14:59:53 UTC] OGR-NG benchmark summary :
    Default core : #-1 (undefined) 0 nodes/sec
    Fastest core : #0 (KOGE 3.1 Scalar) 19,317,474 nodes/sec
    [Jan 16 14:59:53 UTC] RC5-72: using core #0 (MH 2-pipe).
    [Jan 16 15:00:12 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #0 (MH 2-pipe)
    0.00:00:16.09 [5,160,960 keys/sec]
    [Jan 16 15:00:12 UTC] RC5-72: using core #1 (KKS 2-pipe).
    [Jan 16 15:00:31 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #1 (KKS 2-pipe)
    0.00:00:16.73 [5,253,923 keys/sec]
    [Jan 16 15:00:31 UTC] RC5-72: using core #2 (KKS 604e).
    [Jan 16 15:00:50 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #2 (KKS 604e)
    0.00:00:16.38 [5,362,198 keys/sec]
    [Jan 16 15:00:50 UTC] RC5-72: using core #5 (MH 1-pipe).
    [Jan 16 15:01:08 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #5 (MH 1-pipe)
    0.00:00:16.08 [5,042,926 keys/sec]
    [Jan 16 15:01:08 UTC] RC5-72: using core #6 (MH 1-pipe 604e).
    [Jan 16 15:01:26 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #6 (MH 1-pipe 604e)
    0.00:00:16.38 [4,950,576 keys/sec]
    [Jan 16 15:01:26 UTC] RC5-72 benchmark summary :
    Default core : #-1 (undefined) 0 keys/sec
    Fastest core : #2 (KKS 604e) 5,362,198 keys/sec
    [Jan 16 15:01:26 UTC] Compare and share your rates in the speeds database at
    http://www.distributed.net/speed/
    (benchmark rates are for a single processor core)


    AmigaMARK:

    Memory: http://morphos.me/benchmarks/AMX5000.txt
    CPU: http://morphos.me/benchmarks/AMX5000-CPU.txt

    nbench:

    Code:

    BYTEmark* Native Mode Benchmark ver. 2 (10/95)
    Index-split by Andrew D. Balsa (11/97)
    Linux/Unix* port by Uwe F. Mayer (12/96,11/97)

    TEST : Iterations/sec. : Old Index : New Index
    : : Pentium 90* : AMD K6/233*
    --------------------:------------------:-------------:------------
    NUMERIC SORT : 608.07 : 15.59 : 5.12
    STRING SORT : 77.587 : 34.67 : 5.37
    BITFIELD : 2.0708e+08 : 35.52 : 7.42
    FP EMULATION : 69.667 : 33.43 : 7.71
    FOURIER : 29189 : 33.20 : 18.65
    ASSIGNMENT : 14.151 : 53.85 : 13.97
    IDEA : 3644.6 : 55.74 : 16.55
    HUFFMAN : 1055 : 29.25 : 9.34
    NEURAL NET : 15.468 : 24.85 : 10.45
    LU DECOMPOSITION : 487.91 : 25.28 : 18.25
    ==========================ORIGINAL BYTEMARK RESULTS==========================
    INTEGER INDEX : 34.345
    FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 27.523
    Baseline (MSDOS*) : Pentium* 90, 256 KB L2-cache, Watcom* compiler 10.0
    ==============================LINUX DATA BELOW===============================
    CPU :
    L2 Cache :
    OS :
    C compiler : gcc version 2.95.3 20020615 (experimental/emm)
    libc :
    MEMORY INDEX : 8.223
    INTEGER INDEX : 8.840
    FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 15.265
    Baseline (LINUX) : AMD K6/233*, 512 KB L2-cache, gcc 2.7.2.3, libc-5.4.38
    * Trademarks are property of their respective holder.


    Stream:

    Code:

    -------------------------------------------------------------
    STREAM version $Revision: 5.10 $
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    This system uses 8 bytes per array element.
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Array size = 10000000 (elements), Offset = 0 (elements)
    Memory per array = 76.3 MiB (= 0.1 GiB).
    Total memory required = 228.9 MiB (= 0.2 GiB).
    Each kernel will be executed 10 times.
    The *best* time for each kernel (excluding the first iteration)
    will be used to compute the reported bandwidth.
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Your clock granularity/precision appears to be 1 microseconds.
    Each test below will take on the order of 122644 microseconds.
    (= 122644 clock ticks)
    Increase the size of the arrays if this shows that
    you are not getting at least 20 clock ticks per test.
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    WARNING -- The above is only a rough guideline.
    For best results, please be sure you know the
    precision of your system timer.
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Function Best Rate MB/s Avg time Min time Max time
    Copy: 1288.1 0.124860 0.124212 0.126170
    Scale: 1370.1 0.116996 0.116783 0.117207
    Add: 1802.0 0.133600 0.133185 0.134047
    Triad: 1804.1 0.133476 0.133031 0.133839
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Solution Validates: avg error less than 1.000000e-13 on all three arrays
    -------------------------------------------------------------


    monolith:

    Code:

    Result: 829 objects at 25.0 fps


    RageMem doesn't work atm.
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    > dnetc: [...]
    > AmigaMARK: [...]
    > nbench: [...]
    > Stream: [...]

    Thank you very much for running these benchmark tests for me.
    I prepared a relative comparison with my 1.5 GHz Mac mini G4. The following list shows the performance of your 2.0 GHz X5000/Cyrus/P5020 compared to my 1.5 GHz Mac mini/MPC7447A (=1.00) at the leftmost position, then the scaled per-clock performance comparison, and the name of the specific test at last position.
    (NOTE: updated results with more recent MorphOS beta on X5000 here)


    dnetc

    1.27 | 0.96 : KOGE 3.1 Scalar
    0.90 | 0.67 : MH 2-pipe
    0.93 | 0.70 : KKS 2-pipe
    0.93 | 0.70 : KKS 604e
    0.96 | 0.72 : MH 1-pipe
    0.95 | 0.71 : MH 1-pipe 604e

    AmigaMARK CPU

    1.29 | 0.96 : BogoMIPS ppc-assembler inline
    1.18 | 0.88 : Dhrystones
    1.30 | 0.98 : 40th Fibonacci number
    1.13 | 0.85 : FPU query [Double Precision] - Al Aburto
    1.26 | 0.95 : LibJPEG - libjpeg [v6b]
    1.12 | 0.84 : Mars chiper
    1.44 | 1.08 : MD5 checksuming (RFC 1321) L. Peter Deutsch
    1.11 | 0.84 : MP3 -> CDDA [mpega.library]
    1.28 | 0.96 : Serpent chiper
    1.35 | 1.01 : ZLib functions [v1.1.4]
    1.14 | 0.85 : TOTAL CPU

    AmigaMARK Memory

    1.28 | 0.96 : Read CPU-Cache
    2.18 | 1.64 : Read FAST byte [8]
    1.98 | 1.48 : Read FAST word [16]
    2.00 | 1.50 : Read FAST long [32]
    2.01 | 1.51 : Write FAST byte [8]
    2.01 | 1.51 : Write FAST word [16]
    2.07 | 1.55 : Write FAST long [32]
    0.98 | 0.73 : Copy FAST 2 FAST
    1.67 | 1.25 : Allocate Memory FAST
    1.37 | 1.03 : Initialize Memory FAST
    1.59 | 1.19 : TOTAL MEM

    nbench

    1.05 | 0.79 : NUMERIC SORT
    1.86 | 1.39 : STRING SORT
    0.96 | 0.72 : BITFIELD
    1.02 | 0.77 : FP EMULATION
    1.26 | 0.94 : FOURIER
    1.00 | 0.76 : ASSIGNMENT
    0.99 | 0.75 : IDEA
    0.99 | 0.74 : HUFFMAN
    1.09 | 0.82 : NEURAL NET
    1.05 | 0.78 : LU DECOMPOSITION
    1.10 | 0.82 : INTEGER INDEX
    1.13 | 0.85 : FLOATING-POINT INDEX
    1.22 | 0.91 : MEMORY INDEX
    1.02 | 0.76 : INTEGER INDEX

    stream

    2.64 | 1.98 : Copy
    2.90 | 2.17 : Scale
    3.25 | 2.44 : Add
    3.20 | 2.40 : Triad


    As expected, one can see that in the memory performance tests (AmigaMARK Memory, stream), the X5000/Cyrus clearly outdoes the Mac mini G4. However, regarding the measured CPU performance (dnetc, AmigaMARK CPU, nbench) I must confess I'm disappointed by the QorIQ P5's e5500 core. In almost all tests, its per-clock performance is below that of the 7447A/e600, which is honestly not what I had expected. Only thanks to its faster clock rate, the P5/e5500 comes out as winner in absolute comparison in the majority of tests (except dnetc).

    > monolith: [...]

    Comparison result here is: 2.32 | 1.74. I'm not sure what to think of this CPU performance test.

    > RageMem doesn't work atm.

    Is there a general problem with OS4Emu on Cyrus?

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 26.04.2017 - 12:54 ]
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    dnetc

    1.27 | 0.96 : KOGE 3.1 Scalar
    0.90 | 0.67 : MH 2-pipe
    0.93 | 0.70 : KKS 2-pipe
    0.93 | 0.70 : KKS 604e
    0.96 | 0.72 : MH 1-pipe
    0.95 | 0.71 : MH 1-pipe 604e

    0.94 | 0.705 : Median


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    AmigaMARK CPU

    1.29 | 0.96 : BogoMIPS ppc-assembler inline
    1.18 | 0.88 : Dhrystones
    1.30 | 0.98 : 40th Fibonacci number
    1.13 | 0.85 : FPU query [Double Precision] - Al Aburto
    1.26 | 0.95 : LibJPEG - libjpeg [v6b]
    1.12 | 0.84 : Mars chiper
    1.44 | 1.08 : MD5 checksuming (RFC 1321) L. Peter Deutsch
    1.11 | 0.84 : MP3 -> CDDA [mpega.library]
    1.28 | 0.96 : Serpent chiper
    1.35 | 1.01 : ZLib functions [v1.1.4]
    1.14 | 0.85 : TOTAL CPU

    1.26 | 0.95 : Median


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    nbench

    1.05 | 0.79 : NUMERIC SORT
    1.86 | 1.39 : STRING SORT
    0.96 | 0.72 : BITFIELD
    1.02 | 0.77 : FP EMULATION
    1.26 | 0.94 : FOURIER
    1.00 | 0.76 : ASSIGNMENT
    0.99 | 0.75 : IDEA
    0.99 | 0.74 : HUFFMAN
    1.09 | 0.82 : NEURAL NET
    1.05 | 0.78 : LU DECOMPOSITION
    1.10 | 0.82 : INTEGER INDEX
    1.13 | 0.85 : FLOATING-POINT INDEX
    1.22 | 0.91 : MEMORY INDEX
    1.02 | 0.76 : INTEGER INDEX

    1.05 | 0.785 : Median


    Quote:

    As expected, one can see that in the memory performance tests (AmigaMARK Memory, stream), the X5000/Cyrus clearly outdoes the Mac mini G4.


    Indeed expected, bottlenecks are well known. But compared to contemporary desktops/workstations, I wouldn't call this particulary fast either. For example, according to this page, decade old Apple G5 Macs compares/beats the X5000 in Stream.


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    However, regarding the measured CPU performance (dnetc, AmigaMARK CPU, nbench) I must confess I'm disappointed by the QorIQ P5's e5500 core. In almost all tests, its per-clock performance is below that of the 7447A/e600, which is honestly not what I had expected. Only thanks to its faster clock rate, the P5/e5500 comes out as winner in absolute comparison in the majority of tests (except dnetc).


    I'm disappointed as well, I didn't expect a lot to be honest, but I expected *more*. For me, the key question (if considering an upgrade) would be if the new HW could do things noticeably better. Real things. A few percents increase in benchmark numbers doesn't cut it. For example, I have a Mac Mini G4 as well. It can play most x.264 720p streams. Anything below 1080p from some new HW would leave me in the same spot as before, hence not really an upgrade in that regard. That was just one area of mearsurement of course, just to illustrate the point.

    It would be interesting to see some MorphOS PowerMac G5 results from these benchmarks as well in comparison, but it should outrun this one, because of the higher clocks if for no other reason (and Altivec and stuff really helps in some areas), right? AFAIK you can play 1080p x.264 streams in SW on G5's.

    Well, I feel that this kind of confirms my earlier assumption that the X5000 is not really an upgrade, but more of a sideways move, all in all. And at an entry price tag of ~€2,220 (for Europeans paying the 20% UK VAT), who is really up for a sideways move?

    Had the X5000 been released in 2004 or 2005 it would have made more sense. It would be ahelluvalot more expensive than the Pegasos 2, but it would also have been more powerful (more than twice as powerful?). The Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI) was a 2.0GHz Dual CPU computer introduced in early 2005. Apple PowerMac has always been premium priced, and this one was introduced at $1,999 in the US. The G4 Mac Mini 1.5GHz Silent Upgrade we are talking about here, was introduced late 2005 at a price of $599 (combo drive model).

    Now it's 2016. The Mac Pro is today what Power Mac was back in 2005. The entry model has a 3.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon E5 processor, 12GB 1866MHz DDR3 ECC memory, Dual AMD FirePro D300 with 2GB GDDR5 VRAM each, 256GB PCIe-based flash storage. It starts at $2,999.

    This while the "new" top of the line PPC HW for the Amiga NG market is moving sideways in 2005 territory performance wise, but at contemporary Premium Mac Workstation prices.

    I'm happy to draw the following conclusions:

    1. The MorphOS Team did the right thing to support the old Apple lines of computers.
    2. The MorphOS Team did the right thing to start a migration process away from PPC towards contemporary desktops/laptops.

    All in all, MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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    Interesting numbers. Seems rather disappointing indeed. But let's see some real life tests to draw more conclusions.
    I _could_ consider an X5000 myself if it provided more than a top PMG5 on average while staying cool - the energy uptake of the PMG5 and the big (albeit stylish) case is still the show stopper for me to upgrade to a G5. But these first values are not too promising.

    Hoping for MorphOS x64.
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