MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >>> As someone from MorphOS Team told me... only a handful of licenses
    >>> came from Sam460 users

    >> No surprise considering the current state of GPU support.
    >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAMTXPvDvWA

    > No wonder he gets slow graphics when using a gfx card that is almost entirely
    > unsupported, not even 2D, only rudimentary frame buffer support.

    Thanks for reiterating my point. Problem is, Sam460ex users are mostly existing OS4 users with Radeon HD graphics card and single hard drive. They don't want to severely change their systems just for MorphOS but would try and maybe purchase it if it supported their hardware as is. (Potential) users of new Sam460cr not that much interested in OS4 may buy graphics cards better supported by MorphOS but they'd still suffer the hard drive problem and have the additional problem of lacking audio.
    Under these circumstances, the low number of Sam460 licenses is fully understandable.
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    I think I was misunderstood. I am not in a hurry, fussy or taking things too seriously :)

    MorphOS x86 becomes a reality when MorphOS Team decides to, certainly I am not going to demand anything or chase them! If they think porting MorphOS for X5000 is a good idea, then they have their own reasons although I think, I am still entitled for a personal opinion, which obviously has to be taken for what it is.

    Having said that, I have nothing against the X5000. It is just that I have zero interest in this machine. And the reason for it is that it is way beyond my budget. Perhaps, if I had 500,000 Euro sitting in my bank account, I'd buy one just for kicks, but alas, I don't. So, if I want to run MorphOS on brand new and good hardware, I will have to wait. And waiting is free :)

    [ Edited by Everblue 05.10.2015 - 09:05 ]
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    https://www.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd?fref=nf

    if anyone gets there in person or can see a video watch Christian's demonstration very carefully.

    Amiga30th Anniversary Event, Neuss, Germany

    Where: Rheinische Landestheater, Neuss,
    When: Saturday, October 10, 2015

    Come to the A-EON Technology display area to meet A-EON co-founder Trevor Dickinson and see:-

    * A demonstration of the AmigaOne X5000 & AmigaOne X1000 by AmigaOS 4 beta tester Dennis Zweedijk.

    * A special Debian 8 Jessie PowerPC SPE demonstration by Core Linux team member and AmigaOS beta tester, Christian Zigotzky.

    A.L.I.C.E. might even put in an appearance (along with Core Linux team member, Pat Wall).

    [ Edited by Spectre660 05.10.2015 - 11:24 ]
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    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:
    https://www.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd?fref=nf

    if anyone gets there in person or can see a video watch Christian's demonstration very carefully.

    Amiga30th Anniversary Event, Neuss, Germany


    -snip-

    So again no reference to MorphOS, but Debian gets a mention? I don't know, maybe I am reading too much into this, but shouldn't MorphOS at least get a mention? Don't they want additional sales of their hardware? I have little interest beyond curiosity myself, but I've seen quite a few mos users express interest.

    Hell, if the X5000 benches better than a G5, there could be a stretch of the imagination where I might want a bare board for MorphOS. A-Eonkit treating what should be considered a value added company as such is disheartening, even given their prior track record.
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    takemehomegrandma
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    @Spectre660 wrote:

    [a lot of stuff not relevant to MorphOS removed]


    This was posted as news here the 10th of September already:

    "On Saturday, October 10, 2015, you will have the opportunity to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Amiga and meet some members of the MorphOS Team in Neuss near D├╝sseldorf.

    Up to 500 participants are expected making this event one of the biggest Amiga meetings of the decade.

    Other flavours of our favorite computing platform will be present at this event as well: OS4, AROS, Classic and even emulation will be shown providing a unique occasion to see all of them in action at once.

    The MorphOS Team will also have a stand where the X5000 and Sam460 will be exhibited running MorphOS among other supported systems, offering a rare opportunity to witness all the latest features of the forthcoming MorphOS 3.10 before its release..."


    :-)
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    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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    The Debian demonstration wont be on the X5000 .

    I can understand A-Eon not promoting MorphOS on the X5000 until the
    port is actually completed . I understand that MorphOS on the X5000 will be demoed as a work in progress by the MorphOS team.


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    redrumloa wrote:
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    Spectre660 wrote:
    https://www.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd?fref=nf

    if anyone gets there in person or can see a video watch Christian's demonstration very carefully.

    Amiga30th Anniversary Event, Neuss, Germany


    -snip-

    So again no reference to MorphOS, but Debian gets a mention? I don't know, maybe I am reading too much into this, but shouldn't MorphOS at least get a mention? Don't they want additional sales of their hardware? I have little interest beyond curiosity myself, but I've seen quite a few mos users express interest.

    Hell, if the X5000 benches better than a G5, there could be a stretch of the imagination where I might want a bare board for MorphOS. A-Eonkit treating what should be considered a value added company as such is disheartening, even given their prior track record.
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    > special Debian 8 Jessie PowerPC SPE demonstration

    On the P-Cubed? SCNR ;-)
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    For fun you could google PowerpcSPE and see what processors are supported.

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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > special Debian 8 Jessie PowerPC SPE demonstration

    On the P-Cubed? SCNR ;-)
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    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:

    So again no reference to MorphOS, but Debian gets a mention? I don't know, maybe I am reading too much into this, but shouldn't MorphOS at least get a mention? Don't they want additional sales of their hardware? I have little interest beyond curiosity myself, but I've seen quite a few mos users express interest.


    I agree completely.

    Same as it has always been. They don't mind any sales and money that might come from MorphOS, but they don't want to be seen affiliated with it in public, or help marketing of MorphOS the slightest in return even if it only means mentioning it in some press release. Predictable. It's how these people has worked, always.
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
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    Spectre660 wrote:

    I can understand A-Eon not promoting MorphOS on the X5000 until the
    port is actually completed .



    Bullshit, they have been promoting incomplete beta level versions of OS4 with terrible driver situation and missing features for years on the X1000. They mentioned OS4 and Linux because they want to, and they didn't mention MorphOS for the same reaason. Of course they are free to do whatever they want, they decide themselves how they want to position themselves to the Amiga (and MorphOS) community. So please stop trying to sugarcoat their decisions into something it isn't. Making up your own explanations on their behalf is even more pathetic than the behaviour you are trying to "explain" on your own initiative...
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    Hope MorphOS drops support for the X5000. :)
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    > For fun you could google PowerpcSPE

    For even more fun you could click the following links and realize that I surely don't need any lessons regarding this :-)

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6565&start=10
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8473&start=49

    > and see what processors are supported.

    I already know this. Guess which CPU the P-Cubed was supposed to use most likely.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=840

    ...which is the same CPU as on Zigotzky's "P1022 Custom board".

    https://community.freescale.com/thread/339022
    https://community.freescale.com/thread/342970
    https://community.freescale.com/thread/357813
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    > they don't want to [...] help marketing of MorphOS the slightest in return
    > even if it only means mentioning it in some press release.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=site:a-eon.com+morphos
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    If I were to preorder an X5000 for exclusive use with MorpOS when would I be able to use it ?

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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:

    I can understand A-Eon not promoting MorphOS on the X5000 until the
    port is actually completed .



    Bullshit, they have been promoting incomplete beta level versions of OS4 with terrible driver situation and missing features for years on the X1000. They mentioned OS4 and Linux because they want to, and they didn't mention MorphOS for the same reaason. Of course they are free to do whatever they want, they decide themselves how they want to position themselves to the Amiga (and MorphOS) community. So please stop trying to sugarcoat their decisions into something it isn't. Making up your own explanations on their behalf is even more pathetic than the behaviour you are trying to "explain" on your own initiative...
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    You are one thorough gum shue .:-)

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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > For fun you could google PowerpcSPE

    For even more fun you could click the following links and realize that I surely don't need any lessons regarding this :-)

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6565&start=10
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8473&start=49

    > and see what processors are supported.

    I already know this. Guess which CPU the P-Cubed was supposed to use most likely.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=840

    ...which is the same CPU as on Zigotzky's "P1022 Custom board".

    https://community.freescale.com/thread/339022
    https://community.freescale.com/thread/342970
    https://community.freescale.com/thread/357813
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > special Debian 8 Jessie PowerPC SPE demonstration

    On the P-Cubed? SCNR ;-)


    Or perhaps on the rumored mini-ITX PPC board from A-Eon?

    [ Edited by Intuition 05.10.2015 - 21:18 ]
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    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:

    Or perhaps on the rumored mini-ITX PPC board from A-Eon?


    Would be really interesting if it would turn out to be based on e500v2!

    :-)
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    >>> special Debian 8 Jessie PowerPC SPE demonstration

    >> On the P-Cubed? SCNR ;-)

    > Or perhaps on the rumored mini-ITX PPC board from A-Eon?

    Zigotzky wrote on the Freescale forum that he bought his P1022-based board in 2014. I don't think this fits a potential new board from A-Eon.
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    I can understand A-Eon not promoting MorphOS on the X5000 until the
    port is actually completed .


    OS4 isn't even complete for the five year old X1000, what makes you think it's in a more complete state for the X5000 than MorphOS for the X5000?
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    >> Or perhaps on the rumored mini-ITX PPC board from A-Eon?

    > Would be really interesting if it would turn out to be based on e500v2!

    I'm sure you would applaud that :-) A new lower-end board from A-Eon would most likely be e5500-based (QorIQ T1) I guess.
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    I would assume that A-Eon has an agreement with Hyperion re AmigaOS 4.x for the current A-Eon hardware so AmigaOS 4.x is going to be OS featured and shipped with the machines .

    If the agreement does not cover all future motherboards then
    I see no reason why Morphos can't make a deal with A-Eon for future Motherboards to have MorphOS as the featured and bundled OS .

    The promotion of alternate OS options in either case should not be a problem once the alternate OS options were available .

    (Posting this on my new secret A-eon hardware by the way)

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    Intuition wrote:
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    I can understand A-Eon not promoting MorphOS on the X5000 until the
    port is actually completed .


    OS4 isn't even complete for the five year old X1000, what makes you think it's in a more complete state for the X5000 than MorphOS for the X5000?




    [ Edited by Spectre660 05.10.2015 - 18:35 ]
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    Doffo schrieb:
    Hope MorphOS drops support for the X5000. :)


    Me too. in _my_ opinion every additional day spend with ppc is a rather lost day. Of course I am also curious about how MorphOS will work on the X5000 and I am even a bit interested in buying one, but I would much much more love to buy a nice i7 system to run MorphOS on it.
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    Zylesea wrote:
    Me too. in _my_ opinion every additional day spend with ppc is a rather lost day. Of course I am also curious about how MorphOS will work on the X5000 and I am even a bit interested in buying one, but I would much much more love to buy a nice i7 system to run MorphOS on it.


    Me 3. It is almost battered wife syndrome. Why support product from a company that won't even acknowledge your existence?

    I also agree we need to move on from the kiddie pool that is PPC. Supporting PPC Mac was the right step for the time. This left turn to Bizaro world is puzzling. Why support such crazy overpriced hardware when the people behind them want you to die off? The best scenario doesn't have the X5000 faster than a G5 Mac at last check.

    [ Edited by redrumloa 05.10.2015 - 19:06 ]
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    > The best scenario doesn't have the X5000 faster than a G5 Mac at last check.

    I'm interested in the figures of your check. Can you publish them?
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    Imagine the scenario where x64 version of MorphOS is available when the X5000 is about to be released. So people would have two options.... drop 2500 Euro for brand new hardware which runs Amiga OS, or spend a few hundred to get a probably faster x64 system and using MorphOS. I know what most would choose.
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