So OS4.1FE finally gets 3rd party Warp3D drivers for RadeonHD cards. The results on the X1000 and Sam460 are pretty god awful. So bad in fact, that it looks like the lowly Efika with MorphOS whips the Sam460 and would probably beat the X1000.

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This is pretty amazing considering how many generations newer their RadeonHD are over something like a Radeon 9800Pro. My old G4 Power Mac with a flashed 8500LE runs circles around the X1000 by a magnitude of times, and I benchmark worse than most here. Things are so bad that even on Amigans.net they are suspecting the bus of the X1000 is crippled.

What gives? The results are horrendous even by OS4 standards.

[ Edited by redrumloa 06.04.2015 - 09:56 ]

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Seems software implementation (Warp3D)is to be blamed, not the hardware resources.

Looking forward to MorphOS for SAM460ex

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I would certainly hope so! Does the Linux distro(s) for the X1000 include 3D drivers? If so, how do they benchmark? Thinking back now, I'd almost swear I read somewhere that there was some issue with DMA on the PCIe? These benchmarks are just outright brutal and an embarrassment as they stand.

I really wish they wouldn't demo a X1000 at this upcoming X1000 Timeshare Presentation "Amiga 30th Anniversary Celebration". I could imagine some old timer ex-Amigans seeing the X1000 running a 16 year old Quake 3 choppy and getting sick to their stomach thinking this is what became of the once proud "Amiga".

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I'm curious what the MorphOS guys can do with it too and what cards (if any) will have 3D support right away on the first release. The cost is too high for the performance for myself, but others have stated a desire for new hardware. Hopefully it will open the door for some users to try out MorphOS and see what it is all about.

[ Edited by redrumloa 06.04.2015 - 13:43 ]

man they're just incompetent in every way. nevertheless i have to give them respect for all the work they're doing in their freetime. But still... why the hell didnt hyperion and all the external guys stay at porting games??? it's just a waste of money and time. They proved it a hundred times that they are not good in coding and especially optimising software. Quake III at 25fps is like using 1% of the hardwares capability or in other terms, the poor driver is castrating the hardwares potential. It should be somewhere around a few hundred fps...

[ Edited by Cego 06.04.2015 - 19:52 ]

> My old G4 Power Mac with a flashed 8500LE runs circles around the X1000 by a
> magnitude of times

So at least ten times as fast? :-)

> Does the Linux distro(s) for the X1000 include 3D drivers?

Yes.

> I'm curious [...] what cards (if any) will have 3D support right away on the first release.

They said they wouldn't release without 3D support.

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But have they stated specifically what RadeonHD cards would be supported out of the gate?

Sam 460ex 1.15Ghz with Radeon X1950 and MorphOS 3.8 - 102.1 fps in 1280x1024. Nice.

> have they stated specifically what RadeonHD cards would be supported out of the gate?

Not that I'm aware of. There were statements about R700 (HD4xxx) support, but no confirmation as of late. Regarding pre-HD cards, see:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11130&forum=3&start=18

...and pamper's posting just before mine :-)

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That is more like it. It sounds like the Sam460 will perform like never before under morphOS. It is amazing what professional coders can do

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I think it's obvious that it's poor SW that's to blame. The GFX cards we are talking about here is certainly *not* responsible, that's for sure!

In a post at amigans.net the programmer behind these OS4 drivers elaborates how CPU plays an important part in Quake3 tests, "So it's not surprising that the more powerful CPU wins".

Hmm, yeah, the 400MHz Efika using a R300 card beats the Sam460 with Radeon R7 265 and play a draw with the X1000!

But of course, the Efika has an дидбоliс 5200 under its hood, so...




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Which I think is a reasonable outcome for Sam460 owners after experiencing *this* level of performance...

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You would think so, wouldn't you? Hopefully 3.8 comes out soon while the Sam owners still have a hard time sitting down. Publicly they are heaping praise and glowing, but I can't imagine privately being happy having to wait years only to have to pay for something so terrible.

What's worse than paying for 3d drivers like this, it sounds like they are tied to the system and they will have to pay for newer versions. I also can't get over the feeling that A-Eonkit are double dipping here. People are making out them to be some noble 3rd party. Since when is a hardware OEM a 3rd party?

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Not only this, but they have to buy new GFX cards altogether to be able to get these fantastic results. No Sam460 system ever came with the required HD7xxx/R7 cards and neither did the X1000 systems back when they were new.

Heck, even today (2 minutes ago) the suggested standard configuration in Amigakit's X1000 store suggests a Radeon HD5450 card...



...even though it's now also possible to upgrade this to a Radeon R7 250X for some additional 75 Euros.

And this is AFAIK the only way to get any kind of 3D at all...?

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Oh wait, I think you jogged my memory. It isn't the PCIe that DMA is cripped, it is the PCI. Some users tried using a Radeon 9250 in a PCI slot and it was revealed there is no DMA to the PCI slots.

IIRC. Is that right?

I know that OS4 has 3D support for a few R200 AGP/PCI cards, what I meant above was the *PCIe* cards that has been hyped by OS4 users for half a decade now. Now they can finally get some kind of 3D over their PCIe bus, but AFAIK only if they buy new HD7xxx/R7 cards, and if they do that, their performance will obviously be hammered by MorphOS running on a 400MHz Efika with some home made "AGP" x1 slot and an old R300 card...


[ Edited by takemehomegrandma 07.04.2015 - 15:52 ]

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Other way is to insert Radeon 9000 card in PCI slot without need to pay for drivers, but that is kind of easy abomination and temporary stopgap.

True, I bough it with top notch AmigaKit offered RadeonHD 6870 card and 2D driver for AmigaOS, and now I am supposed to buy new gfx card and new driver? I am glad for those who have corresponding card, but I will rather wait for driver for my card or AmigaOS 4.2 I have prepaid.

I have done two Linux tests, and while its "Duron class dual core CPU" with fast RAM transfers. Disk transfers are crippled by slow bundled hard drive - bad choice. I would prefer costing it a bit more with a bit decent hardrive.

I have done tests under "AEON recommended" Debian 12.04 with Unity
http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1310106-AR-AMIGAONE027#overview_table
and Mint11PPC64, crossover of Debian and Mint with LXDE.
While hardware dependent RAM transfer did change, there were some minor differences in disk speed and some calculations (leading to conclusion some speed can be bough by optimization)
phoronix-test-suite benchmark 1310265-SO-AMIGAONEX04

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I know you know that. My point was there is some issue with the X1000 that makes using a gfx card in a PCI slot practically useless. Some time ago i read some X1000 were getting frustrated so they bought and installed Radeon 9250 in the PCI slot. The resulting benchmarks were much worse than a Sam460. There were some revelation that there was no DMA to the standard PCI slots, or something to that effect.

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It might be an OS4 thing, like it was with DMA on SAM460ex, not necessarily the Nemo boards feature. People used PCI->PCI-E converters to get a bit better speed.

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1468
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1468

SAM440 used to outperform X1000s PCI bus for gfx.

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There are benchmarks of the X1000 using a 9250 out in the wild, but I'm not finding them on a quick Google. I have found this.

looking at the gfxbench2d scores, the SAM460 pci slots are miles better than the X1000 pci slots!

I've tried a 128bit 9250 in my X1000 and it was dreadfully slow.

I think its cool that at a certain point in time Amiga OS users could buy new hardware (dunno if they still can..I dont follow that OS or the hardware)...but honestly..my G5 runs great with MorphOS. Looking forward to moving into my new house and taking my stuff out of storage.

PowerMac Sawtooth, upgraded with G4 1.6Ghz, 2GB Ram, Radeon 9800Pro 256MB VRam flashed on slow 2xAGP:

Quake 2
8 bit texture = yes
full texture quality
1280x1024 = 50 fps


gl_ext_swapinterval, gl_swapinterval followed by a vid_restart didn't seem to affect performance.

[ Edited by Cool_amigaN 08.04.2015 - 18:13 ]

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You did disable vsync, did you?

I have 30,2 FPS on Quake III timedemo 1 (demo four) on my PowerBook G4. No matter what resolution i take...

[ Edited by Cego 09.04.2015 - 17:38 ]

For those of you benchmarking Quake 3, make sure you do the following:
1) Reboot
2) Don't run anything that uses OpenGL
3) Open a shell and type the following command: setenv TGLSYNC 0
4) Start Quake 3
5) In the Quake 3 console, type: r_primitives 2
6) In the same console, type: timedemo 1
7) Finally type: demo four

If you get anything below 50 FPS, you're either running a very high resolution on a very weak graphics card or you're using an Efika ;)

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it seems the Powerbook 5,8 is one of those weak machines... I have only 30,2 FPS in 640x480