G5 PowerMac videocard with MorphOS?
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    Kronos
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    Small update from my side:

    Got an HD3650 that kinda works on 3.19, no signal on HDMI or DP just DVI but at least it's a start.

    The 1€ AirPort also showed up and with an antenna ripped out of a QuickSilver G4 it does work quite well.
    Need to find a solution to secure the card and antenna though.
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    Krisz
    Posts: 154 from 2023/3/22
    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Small update from my side:

    Got an HD3650 that kinda works on 3.19, no signal on HDMI or DP just DVI but at least it's a start.

    The 1€ AirPort also showed up and with an antenna ripped out of a QuickSilver G4 it does work quite well.
    Need to find a solution to secure the card and antenna though.



    Good luck with making your wifi antenna
    It's a shame the HDMI output doesn't work, that would be the advantage of the HD card.
    I decided to give up the wifi card and buy a regular lan card instead.
    I will buy this.: TP-Link TG-3468
  • »14.04.25 - 19:45
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    Krisz wrote:

    It's a shame the HDMI output doesn't work, that would be the advantage of the HD card.



    When testing the card on a PC that HDMI wouldn't go past FullHD, so not much of an advantage.
    But the card is "better" than the AGP HD3450 which will do 2560x1440@75Hz so it might be just some stupid firmware lock to avoid higher license fees. DP does go much higher, might even do 4k@60Hz.
  • »14.04.25 - 20:14
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    Krisz
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    Kronos wrote:
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    Krisz wrote:

    It's a shame the HDMI output doesn't work, that would be the advantage of the HD card.



    When testing the card on a PC that HDMI wouldn't go past FullHD, so not much of an advantage.
    But the card is "better" than the AGP HD3450 which will do 2560x1440@75Hz so it might be just some stupid firmware lock to avoid higher license fees. DP does go much higher, might even do 4k@60Hz.





    FullHD resolution is more than enough for me
    I never set a higher resolution on my MacPro either

    Now I'm having another headache trying to figure out what network card to get that MOS supports
    Finally the video card good and now there's another obstacle
  • »15.04.25 - 07:01
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    Krisz
    Posts: 154 from 2023/3/22
    Here on the forum a user recommended this card : AW-GE870 B/G PCI-E
    if I buy such a card, the MOS system will immediately recognize it without any tricks, right?if I buy such a card, the MOS system will immediately recognize it without any tricks, right?
  • »15.04.25 - 07:18
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    Kronos
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    Krisz wrote:

    FullHD resolution is more than enough for me
    I never set a higher resolution on my MacPro either



    Under current/recent versions of macOS "resolution" ain't a thing. It just scales text and UI to give you a FullHD like space rendered at the native res of the screen.

    In MorphOS setting a 2k or 4k monitor to FullHD means the monitor will do the scaling a far inferior result than rendering native and increasing font sizes.

    Since everything bigger than 24" is at least 2k these days (ignoring some weird gaming stuff) support for those resolution is a must.
  • »15.04.25 - 08:31
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    Krisz
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    Kronos wrote:
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    Krisz wrote:

    FullHD resolution is more than enough for me
    I never set a higher resolution on my MacPro either



    Under current/recent versions of macOS "resolution" ain't a thing. It just scales text and UI to give you a FullHD like space rendered at the native res of the screen.

    In MorphOS setting a 2k or 4k monitor to FullHD means the monitor will do the scaling a far inferior result than rendering native and increasing font sizes.

    Since everything bigger than 24" is at least 2k these days (ignoring some weird gaming stuff) support for those resolution is a must.




    I see

    I'm going to ignore MOS for a while until I find a working network card
    Until then I'll have to deal with my MacPro because after installing OCLP it doesn't want to see Windows in the boot menu for some reason
    It seems I'm having no luck with Macs
  • »15.04.25 - 09:07
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    matt3
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    @Krisz

    I use a 4k monitor and a 1080p one with my G5.

    You can get decent results with you 4k monitor, but it will take some setting changes under monitors in settings to do so.

    I went with 1900x1200 on the 4k, which for a 27" screen and old eyes, gave me the best results.

    Chris Edwards had a YT for multiple monitor setup as well.
  • »15.04.25 - 14:02
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    @matt3

    If it is a 4k you should go with FullHD to avoid fractional scaling.
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    Krisz
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    Quote:

    matt3 wrote:
    @Krisz

    I use a 4k monitor and a 1080p one with my G5.

    You can get decent results with you 4k monitor, but it will take some setting changes under monitors in settings to do so.

    I went with 1900x1200 on the 4k, which for a 27" screen and old eyes, gave me the best results.

    Chris Edwards had a YT for multiple monitor setup as well.


    My monitor supports fullHD resolution and I use this resolution under MOS
    with 16-bit color depth
    I didn't want to set it to 24-bit because I'm afraid it would result in a performance degradation
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
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    Krisz wrote:
    My monitor supports fullHD resolution and I use this resolution under MOS
    with 16-bit color depth
    I didn't want to set it to 24-bit because I'm afraid it would result in a performance degradation



    I... really don't think you should hold yourself back like this on a G5 :)
  • »15.04.25 - 14:59
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    Krisz
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    koszer wrote:
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    Krisz wrote:
    My monitor supports fullHD resolution and I use this resolution under MOS
    with 16-bit color depth
    I didn't want to set it to 24-bit because I'm afraid it would result in a performance degradation



    I... really don't think you should hold yourself back like this on a G5 :)



    I don't know
    I booted MorphOS from a CD and connected a hard drive with MOS using a dock that I also used on a G4 Mac.
    Due to the lack of SDL, I can only test the machine with a few games, and one of them was a car racing game called Torch, which seemed a bit slow to me.
    It's also possible that the game isn't optimized properly
    I'll only be able to test with more games once I have a working network card
  • »15.04.25 - 15:27
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    koszer
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    Krisz wrote:
    Due to the lack of SDL, I can only test the machine with a few games, and one of them was a car racing game called Torch, which seemed a bit slow to me.


    It's not super fast on my G5 setup too, but I would call it quite playable (video here).
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    This card is my working card: https://www.ebay.de/itm/297189096831?_skw=TP-LINK+TG-3468&epid=2255327262&itmmeta=01JRXKBJR0A8DTRSFZX8697ZYF&hash=item4531d9bd7f:g:r3AAAOSwDo1n83n8&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dE50ZICNIbFdA2Qhp8ygL%2B3%2BZUQuv%2Fjf4OKSeHgaL%2FDiNTteHgdC6iQaORAyrzzlntPRMErqxjTzsutLXGfIMJ63HiA3amwRto1T7EkTaeTrtRLGRQzS0rInTTMK7b0Jn411JzmN4QBhKOM95sS2VDRAtuhHPg%2FLGXc29Y1EqtyQA1m5GaqrLVSfgAH1jg%2FdF5YzhhXhS93%2F0ZCbd7C2ZlyPO%2B5XRvh5RetUhmBMup9y4NgOXXWrc1DaBmOsYj7K00s6O6Ed4TH0QukpoCO76QLdZpC0lDi4NhM3fMOmdu%2Bw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6CsrrPHZQ
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    matt3
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    Kronos wrote:
    @matt3

    If it is a 4k you should go with FullHD to avoid fractional scaling.




    Looks good to me, and the extra space makes a nice difference with Iris and Pagestream.

    PolyOrga is on the other display at 1080P, frankly I would like to have 1200 on that screen as well.

    Anything higher resolution it gets harder to read without glasses...
  • »16.04.25 - 00:51
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    Krisz wrote:
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    Kronos wrote:
    Small update from my side:

    Got an HD3650 that kinda works on 3.19, no signal on HDMI or DP just DVI but at least it's a start.

    The 1€ AirPort also showed up and with an antenna ripped out of a QuickSilver G4 it does work quite well.
    Need to find a solution to secure the card and antenna though.



    Good luck with making your wifi antenna
    It's a shame the HDMI output doesn't work, that would be the advantage of the HD card.
    I decided to give up the wifi card and buy a regular lan card instead.
    I will buy this.: TP-Link TG-3468


    I did find a small board from a PowerBook that has the right sockets for the G5 antenna cables so a non destructive adapter is possible.

    As for GFX, moved the box over to 3.20b which did mix up the results a bit.
    I ended up using an R5 230 which did not work at all with 3.19 which kinda works with the 27" at 2560x1440 but excels on the widescreen at 3440x1440 using an active DualLinkDVI-DisplayPort adapter.

    I'd say almost as good as 2 2560x1440 screens, I might even keep it that way for the time being.
  • »16.04.25 - 17:45
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    Krisz
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    koszer wrote:
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    Krisz wrote:
    Due to the lack of SDL, I can only test the machine with a few games, and one of them was a car racing game called Torch, which seemed a bit slow to me.


    It's not super fast on my G5 setup too, but I would call it quite playable (video here).


    Well yeah
    It's playable but it should run faster with a quad g5 and x1950 config
    I think it wasn't optimized properly.
  • »18.04.25 - 08:48
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    Krisz
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    Lord76 wrote:
    This card is my working card: https://www.ebay.de/itm/297189096831?_skw=TP-LINK+TG-3468&epid=2255327262&itmmeta=01JRXKBJR0A8DTRSFZX8697ZYF&hash=item4531d9bd7f:g:r3AAAOSwDo1n83n8&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1dE50ZICNIbFdA2Qhp8ygL%2B3%2BZUQuv%2Fjf4OKSeHgaL%2FDiNTteHgdC6iQaORAyrzzlntPRMErqxjTzsutLXGfIMJ63HiA3amwRto1T7EkTaeTrtRLGRQzS0rInTTMK7b0Jn411JzmN4QBhKOM95sS2VDRAtuhHPg%2FLGXc29Y1EqtyQA1m5GaqrLVSfgAH1jg%2FdF5YzhhXhS93%2F0ZCbd7C2ZlyPO%2B5XRvh5RetUhmBMup9y4NgOXXWrc1DaBmOsYj7K00s6O6Ed4TH0QukpoCO76QLdZpC0lDi4NhM3fMOmdu%2Bw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6CsrrPHZQ


    Thanks

    Here on the forum, one user said this card works too

    AzureWave AW-GE870 B/G PCI-E
    Could anyone confirm this?
  • »18.04.25 - 08:56
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    Krisz
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    matt3 wrote:
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    Kronos wrote:
    @matt3

    If it is a 4k you should go with FullHD to avoid fractional scaling.




    Looks good to me, and the extra space makes a nice difference with Iris and Pagestream.

    PolyOrga is on the other display at 1080P, frankly I would like to have 1200 on that screen as well.

    Anything higher resolution it gets harder to read without glasses...


    I don't like higher resolutions either because of the small characters
    FullHD is more than enough for me
  • »18.04.25 - 09:00
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    Krisz wrote:

    I don't like higher resolutions either because of the small characters
    FullHD is more than enough for me



    Running at 3440x1440 is quite a blast.

    And of course I had to increase the font sizes by a bit, ain't 20 anymore.....
  • »18.04.25 - 10:01
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    Krisz
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    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Krisz wrote:

    I don't like higher resolutions either because of the small characters
    FullHD is more than enough for me



    Running at 3440x1440 is quite a blast.

    And of course I had to increase the font sizes by a bit, ain't 20 anymore.....




    I have some full cd games that I used on my old PPC Amiga
    and I would like to get them to work somehow, the only problem is that as far as I know, some of them used the AGA video processor and I don't know if it's possible to use them on MorphOS without an Amiga emulator
    I don't want to use an Amiga emulator on an Amiga compatible system because then I can do it on MacOS too
    I already know that some old Amiga games have been ported to Morphos.
    But what about games with Aga and cybergraphx systems?
  • »18.04.25 - 11:15
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    If they are really "PPC-era" (aka 97 or younger) games they should be using RTG and AHI and in theory they should work.

    Reality is that plenty of those still had some code hitting chip men or HW register for obscure reason. Some have been patched later on, others may have a proper MorphOS replacement binary.

    No way of knowing without listing the exact games you wann play.
  • »18.04.25 - 11:49
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    Krisz
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    If they are really "PPC-era" (aka 97 or younger) games they should be using RTG and AHI and in theory they should work.

    Reality is that plenty of those still had some code hitting chip men or HW register for obscure reason. Some have been patched later on, others may have a proper MorphOS replacement binary.

    No way of knowing without listing the exact games you wann play.



    Thanks

    I already listed the games in a previous answer
    but for example I tried the game called virtua ball fighter on my G4 mac and I couldn't start it because the system was missing something
    but if I manage to buy a network card I will try again on my G5

    https://allegro.hu/ajanlat/azurewave-halozati-kartya-aw-ge870-b-g-pci-e-x1-16380693286

    Or

    https://www.arukereso.hu/halozati-kartya-c3658/tp-link/tg-3468-p38246755/
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