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Genesi hasn't uploaded any of your code and none of BBRV's comments in this thread are deceptive. Sometimes I think hell will freeze over before you guys get every little thing exactly the way you want it. Like it would be such a tragedy to actually release and sell next version of MorphOS alongside Efika on the Freescale website. A tragedy!

You want everybody to agree on everything, all BBRV does by getting the listing on the website is get things ready in advance, otherwise we'll all wait until Doomsday because you will surely find something else wrong between the time you finally agree and the time it managed to get listed, if it was done that way.

You know, your competitor OS4 flounders around for lack of hardware. Genesi's help means you don't have to do that. And no, bPlan can't do all this without Genesi. Maybe it's time to stop arguing and using insulting words and start cooperating, even if you feel like you have to hold your noses.

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Yes. I think it wouldn't do much good if current (read: unstabile) version of MorphOS was actually for sale currently. Of course it might be possible to port older release (1.4.x) but I can't see much point in that, nor know how easy that would be to do...

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So you think it's a good idea to announce something, and later tell everyone to wait two more weeks? Just becouse the product isn't ready?

If an OS is demonstrated in public, it doesn't automatically mean that it would be "ready" - obviously only the ready things will be shown (while everyone hopes that it won't crash) - Microsoft does that very often, especially crashing

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Well, I think it's a well known fact that ironfist isn't a MorphOS user (has not booted into MOS for quite a long time now), and he is more interested in Genesi/bPlan hardware than he is in MorphOS. Most of us however, are really here just for the OS, and couldn't care less for the hardware it runs on.
That said, I really have to say that *user* support from Genesi and bPlan has been top notch: just think about the way the Articia affair was handled, free repairs of CPU boards outside the 2 years of warranty in Europe(!), and so on. Therefore, from a user perspective, I'd feel more comfortable and confident in buying more products from bPlan/Genesi than from any other firm in the PPC arena, given the fact that MOS is an OS for PPC machines, and the fact that Apple jumped on the Intel train (and I heard not so good stories about Apple support anyway). Moreover very few have shown the same level of competence than the technical staff at bPlan, nor many have shown the capabilities to reach production stage for new consumer products. So, I think that the MorphOS team will find themselves dealing with bPlan (and therefore Genesi) again and again in the future, and this is the reason why I'm interested in the relationships between the two parts, and to know whether bridges can be built again.

But again, back again to the real topic, my request for pics, reports (in english, I saw a report in german, but even trying the automatic translation services I can't really uinderstand much!) seems to have fallen unheard. How was the show? Any additional infos about what was shown, software and HW wise?

Kind regards,
Andrea

Henes, CISC: Sure, they should have asked. But there's one major difference to the 'pirated mp3' analogy: They didn't actually pirate anything, all they offered was 'dead links'. Of course it's not very good to offer your non-existing product either, but then again no one seems to have noticed. So why not calm down a bit. Worse things have happened and it actually seems BBRV are listening a bit at the moment.

@CISC

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WOW. Putting a nobody OS on a site as big as Freescale is a negative thing. Remember.. puff, puff, pass!


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CISC, please, I'm begging you, I'm on my knees..Can I please, I mean..pretty please put MorphOS on Freescale's site that way you can make some money. Money good. Broke baaad.
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Sue for what? LOL. Stick to coding, leave the legal talk to the real lawyers.

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Get over yourself. Sh** the stick on this and you'll probably end up coding MOS 1.4.x.x.x.x.x for a motherboard which will end up being desupported..just like the OS4 boys.


@MZ Admins/Mods/MZ users:
Sorry about all the ranting..it just gets f'in old to read about roadblocks here and there especially if you're a fan of MOS and see this as a big step from BBRV.

-Alex

[ Edited by TheMagicM on 2006/10/17 8:38 ]

[ Edited by TheMagicM on 2006/10/17 8:42 ]

Everybody chill by a factor of two now please. Wouldnt want to lock the thread.

I think the last good post was from Guruman...can we get an english report my german hasn't been used for 8 years and it wasn't good then either.

@CISC
Thanks for the infor about who delivered the EFIKA.

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Read this http://www.ppcnux.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6562

and another thing: that northbridge which was developed by IBM and Apple can't be used in personal computers due to the agreement signed by IBM with Apple (no cheaper Apple clones for you!).

Sorry for oftopic.

Please suggest new text for this too:

Ready for IBM Technology

R&B

Nice, of course... My friends won't mock on me when I bug them with MorphOS anymore... xD

@ Genesi

While *I* like to see MOS mentioned on ibm's page, I wonder if it would not have been more sensitive not to ask this question in public, but to work it out with the MOS team behind the scenes...

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Couldn't that have something to do with the fact that I'm a mod here while you allways tried to outdo the actual mods on that other site ?

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Neither your problems on that other side nor OS4/Hyperion were part of this topic, so yes you were trolling.



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Apple is a multi-billion $$$ company actually selling millions of computers, just because they run their OS.

Believe what you want, but neither MOS nor OS4 have such powers.

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AInc choosing one thing is a clear sign that any sensible human being should seek for a different path.

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Sure and be even smarter by not strangulating what you support till the point where it's nearly unavailable for years...

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And what if the earth suddenly starts revolving the other way round....

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Yeah, so that we can play SDL-games on our 5000 Euro "Amigas".

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Well it was Eyetech responsibilty to check wether MAI are reliable or not, not IBM's, Moto's or my mom's.

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And did you know that even the lousy C= offered free trade-ins for the A2000A models ?

Oh and don't bother replying, as i will just delete any further post from int this thread (feel free to complain bout cencorship elsewhere).

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@zylesea

That page has been there for at least three years.

@MorphOS-Team

Just sort out what you want. We can also have all the IBM and Freescale pages removed if you want. It is up to you.

R&B

@Genesi

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

I understand what you are trying to do here but methinks forums aren't really too appropriate for this.

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Ofcourse, we have this funny little thing called IRC, maybe you've heard about it? ;)

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Calm down, do you really think lawyers need food? ;)

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There's a major difference between them and us though, first off we are not contractually locked into any specific boards, secondly we don't have to sit idly by and watch some wannabe company molest our product. ;)

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Maybe you should take a breather and collect your thoughts, maybe you'll see more clearly what happened here...


- CISC

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That's right...
But seems like you can sit and watch Bill&Ralph doing what they want instead...
I wonder which one is the worst...

Leo.

[ Edited by Leo on 2006/10/18 6:15 ]

Sorry to spoil the party but... Can we have some technical talk here.

I mean, what new tricks does this 1.5 MorphOS do? Also, it runs over an updated SmartFirmware. I'd like to know about this too. And also, if it will be released for current Pegasos 2, and future Pegasos 3 (but, I guess, this is up to b-plan, not MorphOS Team).

So, can anybody (CISC, maybe?) give some hints about the progress of MorphOS 1.5?

As a side note, I can understand MorphOS Team angryness, by reading that page about their "product" (as stated by CISC) in IBM web site. At the same time, I really believe that MorphOS needs promotion from some company with good connections (for example, Genesi).

The news is now even on http://www.osnews.com/
And yes, more technical info would be nice.....

regards Tom

To everyone, please calm down... concerning the mosteam/bbrv issue, please try to solve this problem in query and to other people : this issue is their problem (mosteam/bbrv) not yours !

any other post about this problem will be moderated... and as you're all adult people I hope I won't have to do this.

@cisc,
yeah right .. i wonder what's the worst though..
at least hyperion want os4 to be released..

as for the mos-team it seems they're quite busy theses last yearS preventing morphos to be released ;)
only bit and bobs seems to leak form time to time ..
and the funny thing is morphos 1.5 gets announced all over the others sites such as osnews and the last ones to know are the mos users themselves ;)

and you criticize os4 because of the special terms of the contract between hyperion on ainc.. but you all ppl on the other side are reacting like offensed because mos appear on freescale web site and "may" get commercialised?

you're right, like.. omg, what a terrible thing ..
mos would be available again ? omg .. unforgivable ;)

and you say ainc can molest os4.. but genesi seems to do whatever it please em too with mos ;)
and you instead of trying to find potential in this efika/freescale deal and try to arrange some kind of contract, just condamn the whole thing .. how contructive ;)

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stupid slang detector: conbless = cond a m n.
da mn it!




[ Edited by keisangi on 2006/10/18 9:34 ]

@CISC

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But in practical terms you haven't released MOS for any other hardware so who cares about what you can do if you sit idle without releasing MorphOS for more hardware platforms.

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But you don't release MOS for any other hardware.


Your statement sounds just like "Wagner & Bach don't have a clue about music, I could write various Operas if I wanted... but I won't do it because I don't feel motivated".


The MorphOS link in IBM's and Freescale's webpages could only mean some revenue. I know you don't work in MOS for money, but some money may help to speed up the development.

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It can sit, roll over and play dead. ;)

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Yawn, go spam another mailinglist...

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Sheesh, some people don't appreciate a good troll when they see one .. is it too hard to understand that not being locked into specific boards is potentially a good thing? Is it then that bad to criticize such a clause?

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It's hardly the fact that it appeared on the site (how many damned times do I have to reiterate this?), but rather how it appeared on the site. And I couldn't give a flying fudge to or from whether MorphOS gets commercialized or not .. if it does, great, if it doesn't, I'm cool with that too...

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MorphOS was never unavailable (apart from the few times the server was down).

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No they can't, but they like to pretend that they can, which is why I'm here making a big stink, which again was my point, no?

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It's not my job to neither arrange nor "conbless" contracts, you would have thought it was Genesi's though before putting stuff up, but no, that would be too difficult I guess...

I am however fully within my rights to blast people to bits when they make fundamentally fucked up decisions about things they have no business making
decisions about when it concerns parts of my work.

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We haven't released MorphOS for Efika either, so what's your point?

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This is what your magic eightball told you, or what? ;)

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Why do people keep justifying what was done with this? Have you never heard of "the end doesn't justify the means"?

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Quite honestly I don't think money can speed up development anymore, it could however allow us to acquire more hardware (and maybe license some software) that would allow us to expand the MorphOS platform...

Anyway, enough with this silly debate now before the thread gets locked please...


- CISC

[ Edited by CISC on 2006/10/18 10:07 ]

thread locked for 1 day in waiting spirits calm back down.... hope some people will grow up until tommorrow.

thread unlocked,

hope everyone has grown up since yesterday.....

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Yes sir, I do feel now a stronger, wiser, and above all a manly men!

( And didn't even participated in this thread before! )

[ Edited by pixie on 2006/10/19 6:24 ]