G5 PowerMac videocard with MorphOS?
  • Cocoon
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    eastone
    Posts: 46 from 2007/8/4
    From: Vaasa/Finland
    @Krisz
    Write what model/brand of keyboard and mouse you are using and to which port you are connecting these devices. Have you tried using a different keyboard and mouse? I also have one Logitech mouse that behaves just like yours. Despite the black screen, do you hear a jingle when starting the system from CD?
    Btw, my G5 11.2 has problems with the USB port on the front and it doesn't work more often than it does.
  • »14.04.25 - 11:34
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
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    Kronos wrote:
    Let's be fair, the Mac does what the Mac is supposed to do. OF sees a PCIe device enumerates it, fails to load the unsupported BIOS and hands it that way to OSX which lacks a driver for non initialized video cards.

    MorphOS should be able to get that card started but fails.

    I am in a similar boat where yet another card is supposed to show up today as both the one I had laying around and the last one bought failed.

    In the end there is always the option to stick to AGP G4/G5s with certified Apple cards.


    It was my fault
    I tried it with another DVI-VGA adapter and it worked immediately
    It's interesting because the nvidia video card has the same DVI connector and there is picture with the adapter I used so far
    With the new adapter there is a picture on both the radeon and nvidia cards!
    However, I still don't know the answer to why the keyboard and mouse don't work in the boot menu

    Could there be a problem if I leave the nvidia card in the computer?
    Does not interfere with MorphOS operation?
    One more thing
    while loading MorphOS it says that there is 1.7GB of ram in the machine and in fact there is 3GB
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12307 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > How can you design a machine that won't accept any card

    When Apple designed the PowerMac G5, they could have equipped OpenFirmware with an x86 emulator. I guess they didn't for marketing reasons and also because they released their own graphics cards and because they were big enough for 3rd parties to release specific graphics cards for their machines.
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
    Quote:

    eastone wrote:
    @Krisz
    Write what model/brand of keyboard and mouse you are using and to which port you are connecting these devices. Have you tried using a different keyboard and mouse? I also have one Logitech mouse that behaves just like yours. Despite the black screen, do you hear a jingle when starting the system from CD?
    Btw, my G5 11.2 has problems with the USB port on the front and it doesn't work more often than it does.


    There is no brand name on the keyboard, just Spirit Of Gamer
    The mouse is some cheap wireless Chinese product
    Both have been working flawlessly on MacPro 5.1 for years
    I tried both the front and back connectors!

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  • »14.04.25 - 12:05
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2411 from 2003/2/24
    1.7GB is the max. MorphOS can use/sees.

    As for the kbd, is this by any chance a wireless combo with some extra features? Like connecting to more than 1 dongle or so.

    When in question (and no Apple kbd at hand) stick to wired KBD and mouse (or at least ones with dumb dongles).
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12307 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Could there be a problem if I leave the nvidia card in the computer?

    Only with your electricity bill ;-)

    > Does not interfere with MorphOS operation?

    No.

    > MorphOS [...] says that there is 1.7GB of ram in the machine
    > and in fact there is 3GB

    MorphOS can use only 31 bit (= 2 GiB) minus some IO address space, which results in about 1.7 GiB.
  • »14.04.25 - 12:06
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > How can you design a machine that won't accept any card

    When Apple designed the PowerMac G5, they could have equipped OpenFirmware with an x86 emulator. I guess they didn't for marketing reasons and also because they released their own graphics cards and because they were big enough for 3rd parties to release specific graphics cards for their machines.


    Fortunately, the video card problem is solved!
    It crossed my mind that maybe the problem was with the DVI-VGA adapter and it was confirmed
    the only interesting thing is that the Nvidia card uses the same DVI connector as the Radeon and Nvidia had no problems with the adapter I used so far
  • »14.04.25 - 12:14
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12307 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    >>> How can you design a machine that won't accept any card

    >> When Apple designed the PowerMac G5, they could have equipped
    >> OpenFirmware with an x86 emulator. [...]

    > Fortunately, the video card problem is solved!

    That's good to hear. And it was clear from the start that it wasn't a problem with the PowerMac G5's design ;-)
  • »14.04.25 - 12:21
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >>> How can you design a machine that won't accept any card

    >> When Apple designed the PowerMac G5, they could have equipped
    >> OpenFirmware with an x86 emulator. [...]

    > Fortunately, the video card problem is solved!

    That's good to hear. And it was clear from the start that it wasn't a problem with the PowerMac G5's design ;-)


    Fortunately, it was resolved
    however, in my opinion, Apple was very cheeky when they designed the Power Mac and Mac Pro machines to only work with Apple-compatible cards, which were also much more expensive than PC cards.

    But it's still much cheaper than buying an Amiga computer
    Unfortunately, my Pegasos2 has been sitting there for over 10 years since it broke
    But everything would be much easier with it
    I've just tried a few games and for example the Robinhood demo runs at about the same speed as it did on my pegasos2 at the time
    I know the demo version doesn't have the 3D driver
    I still need to get a wifi or lan card because I can't install the MorphOS system normally until then
  • »14.04.25 - 12:54
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
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    Kronos wrote:
    1.7GB is the max. MorphOS can use/sees.

    As for the kbd, is this by any chance a wireless combo with some extra features? Like connecting to more than 1 dongle or so.

    When in question (and no Apple kbd at hand) stick to wired KBD and mouse (or at least ones with dumb dongles).


    Thanks

    Maybe someday there will be a MOS release that will see more ram :)
    I use a mouse that has a usb adapter but I think I should get an Apple keyboard and some kind of wired mouse
  • »14.04.25 - 12:59
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
    The user named Lord76 said that the network works with this card :
    TP-Link TG-3468

    Is this automatically detected by MorphOS and ready to use or does it need some configuration?
  • »14.04.25 - 17:57
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2411 from 2003/2/24
    Small update from my side:

    Got an HD3650 that kinda works on 3.19, no signal on HDMI or DP just DVI but at least it's a start.

    The 1€ AirPort also showed up and with an antenna ripped out of a QuickSilver G4 it does work quite well.
    Need to find a solution to secure the card and antenna though.
  • »14.04.25 - 18:15
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
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    Kronos wrote:
    Small update from my side:

    Got an HD3650 that kinda works on 3.19, no signal on HDMI or DP just DVI but at least it's a start.

    The 1€ AirPort also showed up and with an antenna ripped out of a QuickSilver G4 it does work quite well.
    Need to find a solution to secure the card and antenna though.



    Good luck with making your wifi antenna
    It's a shame the HDMI output doesn't work, that would be the advantage of the HD card.
    I decided to give up the wifi card and buy a regular lan card instead.
    I will buy this.: TP-Link TG-3468
  • »14.04.25 - 19:45
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2411 from 2003/2/24
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    Krisz wrote:

    It's a shame the HDMI output doesn't work, that would be the advantage of the HD card.



    When testing the card on a PC that HDMI wouldn't go past FullHD, so not much of an advantage.
    But the card is "better" than the AGP HD3450 which will do 2560x1440@75Hz so it might be just some stupid firmware lock to avoid higher license fees. DP does go much higher, might even do 4k@60Hz.
  • »14.04.25 - 20:14
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
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    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Krisz wrote:

    It's a shame the HDMI output doesn't work, that would be the advantage of the HD card.



    When testing the card on a PC that HDMI wouldn't go past FullHD, so not much of an advantage.
    But the card is "better" than the AGP HD3450 which will do 2560x1440@75Hz so it might be just some stupid firmware lock to avoid higher license fees. DP does go much higher, might even do 4k@60Hz.





    FullHD resolution is more than enough for me
    I never set a higher resolution on my MacPro either

    Now I'm having another headache trying to figure out what network card to get that MOS supports
    Finally the video card good and now there's another obstacle
  • »15.04.25 - 07:01
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
    Here on the forum a user recommended this card : AW-GE870 B/G PCI-E
    if I buy such a card, the MOS system will immediately recognize it without any tricks, right?if I buy such a card, the MOS system will immediately recognize it without any tricks, right?
  • »15.04.25 - 07:18
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2411 from 2003/2/24
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    Krisz wrote:

    FullHD resolution is more than enough for me
    I never set a higher resolution on my MacPro either



    Under current/recent versions of macOS "resolution" ain't a thing. It just scales text and UI to give you a FullHD like space rendered at the native res of the screen.

    In MorphOS setting a 2k or 4k monitor to FullHD means the monitor will do the scaling a far inferior result than rendering native and increasing font sizes.

    Since everything bigger than 24" is at least 2k these days (ignoring some weird gaming stuff) support for those resolution is a must.
  • »15.04.25 - 08:31
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
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    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Krisz wrote:

    FullHD resolution is more than enough for me
    I never set a higher resolution on my MacPro either



    Under current/recent versions of macOS "resolution" ain't a thing. It just scales text and UI to give you a FullHD like space rendered at the native res of the screen.

    In MorphOS setting a 2k or 4k monitor to FullHD means the monitor will do the scaling a far inferior result than rendering native and increasing font sizes.

    Since everything bigger than 24" is at least 2k these days (ignoring some weird gaming stuff) support for those resolution is a must.




    I see

    I'm going to ignore MOS for a while until I find a working network card
    Until then I'll have to deal with my MacPro because after installing OCLP it doesn't want to see Windows in the boot menu for some reason
    It seems I'm having no luck with Macs
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    matt3
    Posts: 733 from 2004/2/10
    @Krisz

    I use a 4k monitor and a 1080p one with my G5.

    You can get decent results with you 4k monitor, but it will take some setting changes under monitors in settings to do so.

    I went with 1900x1200 on the 4k, which for a 27" screen and old eyes, gave me the best results.

    Chris Edwards had a YT for multiple monitor setup as well.
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2411 from 2003/2/24
    @matt3

    If it is a 4k you should go with FullHD to avoid fractional scaling.
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  • Cocoon
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
    Quote:

    matt3 wrote:
    @Krisz

    I use a 4k monitor and a 1080p one with my G5.

    You can get decent results with you 4k monitor, but it will take some setting changes under monitors in settings to do so.

    I went with 1900x1200 on the 4k, which for a 27" screen and old eyes, gave me the best results.

    Chris Edwards had a YT for multiple monitor setup as well.


    My monitor supports fullHD resolution and I use this resolution under MOS
    with 16-bit color depth
    I didn't want to set it to 24-bit because I'm afraid it would result in a performance degradation
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
    Posts: 1304 from 2004/2/8
    From: Poland
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    Krisz wrote:
    My monitor supports fullHD resolution and I use this resolution under MOS
    with 16-bit color depth
    I didn't want to set it to 24-bit because I'm afraid it would result in a performance degradation



    I... really don't think you should hold yourself back like this on a G5 :)
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    Krisz
    Posts: 54 from 2023/3/22
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    koszer wrote:
    Quote:

    Krisz wrote:
    My monitor supports fullHD resolution and I use this resolution under MOS
    with 16-bit color depth
    I didn't want to set it to 24-bit because I'm afraid it would result in a performance degradation



    I... really don't think you should hold yourself back like this on a G5 :)



    I don't know
    I booted MorphOS from a CD and connected a hard drive with MOS using a dock that I also used on a G4 Mac.
    Due to the lack of SDL, I can only test the machine with a few games, and one of them was a car racing game called Torch, which seemed a bit slow to me.
    It's also possible that the game isn't optimized properly
    I'll only be able to test with more games once I have a working network card
  • »15.04.25 - 15:27
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