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MorphOS on AmigaOne X5000?

Jim

# 71
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Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> X5000 (maybe X1000 too) could be used to develop PPC64 (general 64-bit version)

Could also be done with supported G5 Macs.

> and multicore support.

Could also be done with supported dual-G4 and dual-G5 Macs.

Bingo!
The path to another ISA can start here with further development of the PPC variant.
Sorry grandma, I'm in no hurry to ditch the PPC.
And, as I have said, I will be buying an X5000.
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»06.05.15 - 14:33

redrumloa

# 72
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Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13

Quote:

Yasu wrote:
Like itix said. Plus, it will give the community some competition on equal terms again

Well on the corporate sites (AO/AWN/Amigans), once again direct comparisons are being considered "trolling" and "FUD". I doubt many benchmarks will be allowed once MorphOS is available for the two AmigaOne systems.
»07.05.15 - 00:04

Jim

# 73
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Quote:

redrumloa wrote:
Quote:

Yasu wrote:
Like itix said. Plus, it will give the community some competition on equal terms again

Well on the corporate sites (AO/AWN/Amigans), once again direct comparisons are being considered "trolling" and "FUD". I doubt many benchmarks will be allowed once MorphOS is available for the two AmigaOne systems.

Yes, they don't care for comparisons.
Then there is those few that want to make MorphOS look like OS4 (which I really don't get as Ambient is, to me, a big improvement).

What it comes down to is OS4 is basically a PPC port of OS3.1, while MorphOS is a new operating system with OS3.1 API compatibility.

They aren't really as similar as they would appear.
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»07.05.15 - 10:52

Leo

# 74
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Quote:

Well on the corporate sites (AO/AWN/Amigans), once again direct comparisons are being considered "trolling" and "FUD"

Truth hurts...
Nothing hurts a project more than developers not taking the time to let their community know what is going on.
»07.05.15 - 13:06

Cego

# 75
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Posts: 733 from 2006/5/28

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Quote:

Jim wrote:
Quote:

redrumloa wrote:
Quote:

Yasu wrote:
Like itix said. Plus, it will give the community some competition on equal terms again

Well on the corporate sites (AO/AWN/Amigans), once again direct comparisons are being considered "trolling" and "FUD". I doubt many benchmarks will be allowed once MorphOS is available for the two AmigaOne systems.

Yes, they don't care for comparisons.
Then there is those few that want to make MorphOS look like OS4 (which I really don't get as Ambient is, to me, a big improvement).

What it comes down to is OS4 is basically a PPC port of OS3.1, while MorphOS is a new operating system with OS3.1 API compatibility.

They aren't really as similar as they would appear.

don't forget: the MorphOS Team consists of competent and very good coders compared to some bad and shitty game porters from belgium. Just look at OS4. There is no philosophy and no vision. They just take everything from everywhere, adapt it and provide it with an OS4 skin. Look at MUI, ReAction, AmiCygnix,...
They just don't have a clue what OS4 is actually about...
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»07.05.15 - 13:09

Yasu

# 76
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Benchmarks isn't forbidden here so people will find out eventually about them anyway. Maybe MorphOS will be the lesser system. Wanna bet?
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»07.05.15 - 13:52

kolla

# 77
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Posts: 105 from 2003/4/22

Benchmarks... why care about benchmarks on irrelevant hardware? Both OS4 and MorphOS are so way behind, and all people care about are benchmarks and framerates of 15 year old games ported from PCs. Are there really noone who wants to see a modern incarnation of the platform?
-- kolla
»07.05.15 - 17:31

takemehomegrandma

# 78
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Quote:

kolla wrote:
Benchmarks... why care about benchmarks on irrelevant hardware? Both OS4 and MorphOS are so way behind, and all people care about are benchmarks and framerates of 15 year old games ported from PCs. Are there really noone who wants to see a modern incarnation of the platform?

The MorphOS developers does!
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»07.05.15 - 19:00

Zylesea

# 79
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Quote:

redrumloa schrieb:
Quote:

Yasu wrote:
Like itix said. Plus, it will give the community some competition on equal terms again

Well on the corporate sites (AO/AWN/Amigans), once again direct comparisons are being considered "trolling" and "FUD". I doubt many benchmarks will be allowed once MorphOS is available for the two AmigaOne systems.

The corporate site owners are interested in sales. especially of expensive hardwrae. If the hardware will rock with MorphOS it will be as welcome to them as well. Once the X5000 will be supported officially they cannot hide under a rock, but must allow actual numbers. I am looking happily forward to that.
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»07.05.15 - 19:56

Andreas_Wolf

# 80
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> some bad and shitty game porters from belgium.

Hermans and De Groote don't port games. Or who do you mean?

> They just don't have a clue what OS4 is actually about...

Do you?
»07.05.15 - 21:26

kolla

# 81
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Posts: 105 from 2003/4/22

Quote:

takemehomegrandma wrote:
Quote:

kolla wrote:
Benchmarks... why care about benchmarks on irrelevant hardware? Both OS4 and MorphOS are so way behind, and all people care about are benchmarks and framerates of 15 year old games ported from PCs. Are there really noone who wants to see a modern incarnation of the platform?

The MorphOS developers does!

I may believe it when I see something tangible, something I can use.
-- kolla
»07.05.15 - 21:26

Andreas_Wolf

# 82
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First traces in release notes:

"MorphOS/Libs/bugreport.library: Fixed version and revision decoding for e5500 based cores
MorphOS/Libs/powerpc.library: Report AMCC 4x0 and Freescale e5500 as G3
MorphOS/C/ShowConfig: Fixed version and revision decoding for e5500 based cores."
http://morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.8
»16.05.15 - 12:32

Jupp3

# 83
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Posts: 1193 from 2003/2/24

From: Helsinki, Finland

Quote:

Cego wrote:
Just look at OS4. There is no philosophy and no vision. They just take everything from everywhere, adapt it and provide it with an OS4 skin. Look at MUI, ReAction, AmiCygnix,...
They just don't have a clue what OS4 is actually about...

Why would they need any vision? Shouldn't "Being The Real AmigaOS" be more than enough?
»16.05.15 - 14:46

Andreas_Wolf

# 84
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> we don't know much real life power of the 50x0. While the PA6T is a pretty
> castrated chip of low performance this may not be the case for the 50x0.

"Recent benchmark tests with Warp3D using an XFX RadeonHD 7770 Southern Island graphics card under AmigaOS4.1 have shown the raw power of the P5020 CPU. The infamous Cow3D demo is almost 100% faster on the X5000 compared to any other AmigaOS4 PowerPC hardware and that is with the X5000 running a debug version of the AmigaOS 4.1 kernel which is not optimised for speedy performance."
http://distrita.com/a-eon-interview-about-amigas-future/
»02.06.15 - 15:57

boot_wb

# 85
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Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> we don't know much real life power of the 50x0. While the PA6T is a pretty
> castrated chip of low performance this may not be the case for the 50x0.

"Recent benchmark tests with Warp3D using an XFX RadeonHD 7770 Southern Island graphics card under AmigaOS4.1 have shown the raw power of the P5020 CPU. The infamous Cow3D demo is almost 100% faster on the X5000 compared to any other AmigaOS4 PowerPC hardware and that is with the X5000 running a debug version of the AmigaOS 4.1 kernel which is not optimised for speedy performance."
http://distrita.com/a-eon-interview-about-amigas-future/

Isn't that to be expected?

Quote:

Cyrus just happens to use the x-kernel exclusively unlike the X1000 which can run either kernel.

http://bb3.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38284&forum=2&start=300&viewmode=flat&order=0#720698

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»02.06.15 - 16:03

Andreas_Wolf

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> Isn't that to be expected?

Interesting notion. I neglected to think this might be the X-kernel at work here. Trevor should clarify this, I think.
»02.06.15 - 16:21

Jim

# 87
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Another quote from Steve Solie?
Yes, that does deserve an evil laugh.

The news on the X5000's performance is heartening.
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»02.06.15 - 16:22

Andreas_Wolf

# 88
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> Another quote from Steve Solie?

Yes, this quote was discussed here on MorphZone back then:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=917
»02.06.15 - 16:34

Jim

# 89
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Thanks, having contributed to that thread you would think I would remember it.

While I have exchanged a few messages with Steve, and he seems at least enthusiastic, I am unsure of how knowledgable he is.
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»02.06.15 - 17:03

Andreas_Wolf

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> While [...] Steve [...] seems at least enthusiastic, I am unsure of how knowledgable he is.

You're becoming tame ;-)

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11158&forum=3&start=1
»02.06.15 - 21:09

Jim

# 91
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Oh, that was mean, wasn't it? ;)

Um, in explaination, after examining a few of his posts... well I came to the conclusion that his position/title was a little above his competence level.
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»02.06.15 - 21:47

redrumloa

# 92
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Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> Isn't that to be expected?

Interesting notion. I neglected to think this might be the X-kernel at work here. Trevor should clarify this, I think.

X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.
»03.06.15 - 12:29

eliyahu

# 93
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X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

nope.

-- eliyahu
»03.06.15 - 16:40

Jim

# 94
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>>Well, at least the the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

Yep, utter fiction, in that part.
You can box legacy apps, but you are not running them together seamlessly.

[ Edited by Jim 04.06.2015 - 10:07 ]
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»03.06.15 - 18:24

redrumloa

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Quote:

eliyahu wrote:
Quote:

X-Kernel? Isn't that fairy dust? Well, at least the merging part and backwards compatibility part.

nope.

-- eliyahu

You are setting yourself up for disappointment
»04.06.15 - 12:24