game over... man, game over!!!

7447 isn't available at 1.7GHz only the 7448 is available at that speed.

7447 up to 1267MHz
7447A up to 1420MHz
7448 up to well atleast 1.7 GHz apperantly

a 7447A at 1420MHz will demand more W than a 7448 at the same clock.

the 7447 demands at 1267MHz 18.3 w the 7447A demands 18.0 w at the same clock.

the 7447 is at 1000MHz rated as 14.8W-21W
the 7447A is at 1167MHz rated as 9.2W-13W

so for a new CPU Card my opinion is that it is from a price/performance/watt viewpoint
better to go for a dual G4 (7447A) at ~1.2 GHz (1167 MHz) since this would'nt demand any more power consumption than a single 7448 but deliver more power (And probably cost less).

and the pegasos shouldn't have any trouble to keep up with the CPU's etc. morphos 'just' needs SMP support

"7448 up to well atleast 1.7 GHz apperantly"
sure ?
http://www.gigadesigns.com/index.asp?
PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4
very sure ?
http://www.gigadesigns.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6

and Sonnet use 7455 G4
http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/sonnettech/encore_g4/encore_st_g4_1.4.html

but the benchmarks shows just a little gain of speed between 1Ghz and 1.4Ghz
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=21&id=1536&pg=4

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let me put it like this... I belive the manufacturer more than I belive some acc. manufactuers that is known to overclock just about anything if they can gain 1% of speed increase in 1 second.

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then it's overclocked...

according to freescale
7447A
MIPS MHz
1386 600
1693 733
2003 867
2310 1000
2696 1167
2927 1267
3079 1333
3280 1420

and the 7447 isn't manufactured anymore

and the ROHS compliant CPU from the 7447A series is
(for the 1167 MHz version) is
MC7447AVS1167NB
or
MC7447AVU1167NB

the highest rated 7448 is
MC7448VU1700LC
(which is ROHS compliant, of course)
and the above is of course a 1.7GHz cpu.

anyone can state and overclock any cpu...
the smart manufacturers (that actually care about their name and reputation) always underclocks the cpu.

the dumbasses (like sonnet etc.) overclock.

from a apple forum regarding one of these (though not one you mentioned) acc.

...
There is NO G4 which can clock above 1.43GHz - unless you rewrite the PMU, OS, ROM, and reset all 22 temp sensors, and replace several fans, you'll set your PB on fire.... have consistent crashing - and as it is illegal to sell 1.92GHz when you have 1.4 ONLY - IT'S FALSE ADVERTISEMENT!
...

How about this instead?

Pegasos III Upgrade Program

$799 and your old PegasosPPC based machine gets you a new Dual 970MP Open Server Workstation. There will be 5GHz "under the hood."

We will take those "old" PegasosPPC/ODWs and drop them into the grid we are building at MyPowerPC. We would let selected resellers participate too, allowing them to build their own cluster.

The pricing would be in the 50% range of the full OSW offer.

For example, one reseller would be GGS-Data. GGS-Data is not only a highly motivated reseller, but they support the community through Pegasos.org and many other activities like PUSH.

BTW, best wishes for a successful PUSH this weekend! We are sending some pizza your way!

Our idea is that the used ODWs can be repurposed to support a distributed network coordinated through MyPowerPC.org. If we can get MorphOS running on the new machine we might actually start moving up the RCS-72 charts again as our Grid would be cranking away on the RC5-72 client.

R&B

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(Aha, 4 x 1.25 )

That would indeed be a very generous offer! The OSW looks very interesting indeed, both as a modern workstation and as a server box.

However, isn't that somewhat of a different architecture? The Efika, HDB and Pegasos in one legue, and this will be in another?

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Maybe it could be made to run on the machine, but honestly, how *relevant* is a quad-core 64-bit G5 for MorphOS in practice?

I think the Efika is the most interesting product you have up in your sleeve right now, especially since you added the onboard graphics with real, official drivers, and the FPGA (which by itself adds a whole new dimension of possibilities). This has all the opportunity of becoming a real jackpot for you IMHO. It can also become (could have been?) the ground for the first serious MorphOS-based commercial applications. However, the Efika is not exactly a good developer platform.

I think the Pegasos is a quite decent development platform for the 32-bit PPC architecture (*especially* from a MorphOS POV); it's a general purpose desktop machine suitable for developments to more specialized devices like the Efika (and any upcoming spinoff applications), the HDB, etc. A little more CPU power would be great though. And if the current Pegasos design is not too well suited for faster CPU's from a Price/Performance/Heat Point of View, then maybe you could design a *new* 32-bit general purpose motherboard, built around the 7448 from the start?

I have a feeling how you will response - that research and development for this kind of hardware is not really feasable, since it will cost a lot of time and money and it can never compete with other desktop systems anyway (including your own "Pegasos III"). And that may be right; the "Pegasos III" is most certainly *way better* in all aspects, for all OS's that the Pegasos enjoys today.

Except perhaps for MorphOS ...?

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I think that something needs to be confirmed... Does "PegasosPPC" include Pegasos 1 too, or only Pegasos 2?

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Pizza with banana and onion?

Jupp3,

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Its not too late to join yet

Hi,
thanks for the offert, but i prefer to pay more to keep my Peg2 in my collections of 75 machines.
So, how much will it cost to me this new machine ?

How many standard PCI slots will it have ? I need at least 4 for PC104 bus adapter, TV/FM, FiberChannel/SCSI, and one free may be for some other purpose.

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I second to that. Just like with the Peg1->Peg2 upgrade I'd gladly pay more and seed another Peg myself in the community. (as I did with my Peg1)

I hope there will be a similar offer again - pay some more and keep our machines.

Forgot to mention - it's great to see the upgrade initiative still alive!

Will it run MorphOS from the start?

A dual PeG5 sounds good, but major requirement
is MorphOS to support its hardware. (Dont need to support more than one cpu but the other hw)

I'd prefer paying a "full" price over a tradein, too ...

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QUAD G5 really ... (4 of them)

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I agree that it would be really cool if MorphOS gets up and running on this machine, even if it may not make full use of it. Then one can have Linux (at full power) and MorphOS at the same machine, and dual boot, just like before!

>but major requirement is MorphOS to support its hardware.
>(Dont need to support more than one cpu but the other hw)

Suggestion:
Put an MPC5200B inside as service processor for LOM etc.
MOS could run on this CPU.

What if MOS was "sandboxed" in gentooppc on the OSW on a VM?

In the same fashion as I run Win2K inside VMware "sandbox" on top of my archlinux ?

That would mean using a "slow" host system for a fast
main system ... sounds not really like a good idea.

For that I could use WinUAE and system half the price.

For me, a OSW is totaly uninteresting as long as MorphOS doesn't run on it.

By the way, how much does it clock the frequency of BUS?

200MHz FSB? 400 MHz? 533 MHz?

> by Raf_MegaByte on 2006/4/29 15:07:57
> By the way, how much does it clock the frequency of BUS? 200MHz FSB? 400 MHz? 533 MHz?

some more.

(half cpu clock)

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Hi,

even OSX is useable Linux-hosted in MOL on 1GHz G4,
although it is not approximately as lightweight
as MorphOS and lacks acccelerated gfx output in MOL.

MOS in MOL would have nothing to do with WinUAE
and wouldn't have to be slow in any way.

Sadly this discussion is senseless because the MOS-team
doesn't seem interested.

Having no (released) Altivec support already is bad. Having
no SMP and 1/2 or even 3/4 cores "parked" would even be worse.
So MOS hosted inside Linux is the only solution,
that would make sense to me on OSW.



[ Edited by cyberS on 2006/5/1 0:24 ]

I love MorphOS for its responsiveness and gui speed.
Thats something I've NOT seen in any other (current) operating
system ... and if I have to boot 5 minutes to get into
an OS and another 5 mins to get into emulation and then the
gui speed is only in "linuxspeed" then I can stop using
MorphOS and use the real os that comes with all I need.

Starting Windows + WinUAE on my laptop beats even my old
A1200PPC/Mediator/Voodoo3-Setup in bootingspeed and
responsiveness and guispeed.

I love MorphOS too much ... I dont want to see it hosted
as this would kill it I think ... just my 2cents as a non-os-guru and
simple user.

Wow, but does it run MorphOS? If yes does it support at least the same hardware the current Pegasos II boards do? If yes to those you can count me in for sure!

when the motherboards+CPU cards are sold without the rest of the system and MorphOS runs on them, count me in.

Before talking about such an upgrade maybe it would be a good idea to ask MOS-Team if they are planning (and have the resources) to support this machine, no ?

I guess most people here want to use MorphOS on their machines...

Leo.