Actually, while I agree 101% with Kronos, and we all know that asking for release dates won't bring them nearer nor will bring the actual answers, I feel I have to clarify that Radeon R500 support was actually showed live at Pianeta Amiga 2013 and support for R700 (HD4xxx) was already in the works. And Frank Mariak and Mark Olsen told us that the plan is to have them both completed for the Sam460 release. No promises nor announcements, and we all know that even the best plan can go all wrong, but if everything goes as expected, they'd like to release everything together in MorphOS 3.6, and they hoped to have it ready for the first half of 2014.
So, you can all stop asking, and wait for MoephOS 3.6. And if 3.6 does not include everything, *then* start asking what went wrong (and expect a simple answer as "sh*t happens").
That said, do not buy anything for MorphOS before a release happens. This has always worked perfectly for me.

Kind regards,
Andrea

> SAM460ex support not only for damn integrated SM502 chip

Are you sure the SM502 will be supported by MorphOS?

> No one that I know of has suggested that the SAM460 port was close to release.

This depends on whether one regards within 4 months from now as close or not, I guess :-)

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8931&start=106

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AFAIK, the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards with proper driver support (2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, overlay, etc). Even the R300 is lacking in support AFAIK, and the Radeon HD driver hasn't even got to a final 1.0 release of its 2D support yet (and it isn't part of the OS4 package anyway AFAIK). So I would say the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards period, no matter socket/interface.

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Indeed that remains to be seen, and the point in supporting it is kind of questionable IMHO since it's kind of low spec for any real use today anyway. On the other hand, the OS4 driver at least provides 2D and overlay for it, and is a property owned by Acube AFAIK, so maybe it wouldn't be too much of an effort for them to create a MorphOS driver as well if they want to make the support for their HW more solid?

> AFAIK, the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards with proper driver support [...]. [...]
> I would say the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards period

The 9000 Pro ist faster than those and is fully supported by OS4.

Radeon 9000 PCI?
Much easier to find a 9250.

>>> AFAIK, the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards with proper driver support [...]. [...]
>>> I would say the 9200/9250 is the best OS4 cards period

>> The 9000 Pro ist faster than those and is fully supported by OS4.

> Radeon 9000 PCI? Much easier to find a 9250.

I was replying to a statement about performance, not about availability.

>>> The 9000 Pro ist faster than those and is fully supported by OS4.

The difference is very minor.

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You mean this difference?

I'd say it's significant, not major, and something you can definitely live with it.

The memory bandwidth of 9250 is 73% of 9000 Pro, guess that is the value that matters the most.

I think the real question is, why specifically look for worse gfx card, while you could first look for 8500 / 9100, then 9000 Pro, then 9200, and if all previous fail, the 3rd best option, 9250.

I assumed there was something wrong with OS4's 9000 Pro support, since people always seem to recommend worse models (9200, 9250), but I guess that isn't the case?

Also worth noting, apparently 9250's are available without DVI, if you end up getting worse gfx card, better make sure the model you get has it (although, as with slower gfx card, you can live with VGA too...)

And don't forget that some manufacturers might have the same model slightly worse than others!

[ Edited by Jupp3 06.03.2014 - 14:57 ]

Yes, the 8500 would be best, the 9250 is more available.
If Andreas is right, FireMV cards might be used (by adding their ID to the driver).

8500 wasn't fully supported (or working) on OS4... 3D acceleration IIRC?

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Well, that nixes the 9100 as well.
So we are down to the 9000Pro.

> you could first look for 8500 / 9100, then 9000 Pro, then 9200, and if all
> previous fail, the 3rd best option, 9250.

Isn't that 4th? ;-) And what's with the non-Pro 9000? :-)

> 8500 wasn't fully supported (or working) on OS4... 3D acceleration IIRC?

That, and compositing.

> If Andreas is right, FireMV cards might be used (by adding their ID to the driver).

Just the FireMV 2200 PCI, to be exact.

> that nixes the 9100 as well.

Exactly, as we discussed back in January :-)

Pity, I always liked that card.
Works well under MorphOS.

Anyway, you really can see the difference between some cards. For example going from 9200SE to 8500LE on Peg2 was a major speedup. You really could see it with VGP2 for example :)

8500LE/9100, yes I've used one of those.
On a Mac you are limited to 64MB of vram.
Still, a nice card.

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Some gfx card has to be, and its part of the board.

Whole list of supported GFX cards is useless since PCI slot is occupied on SAMs.

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Guru, thanks. I have somehow missed that important update.

Well, its all just 0.1 release anyway.

But you know, I have to get ready hardware-wise.

Especially because I will move SAM460ex to Lorianos X500 so I have to have definite answer which low profile PCI-E card I have to buy, at best compatible with PPC Linux, MorphOS, AROS and AmigaOS 4.

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Originally I had only 3 models, had forgotten that 8500/9100 is also better than 9250, forgot to update that one number

But yes, if that still has some issues on OS4, then it should be avoided on any configuration people want to be "OS4-compatible".

I assume overlay is also supported on all mentioned boards?

>>> SAM460ex support not only for damn integrated SM502 chip

>> Are you sure the SM502 will be supported by MorphOS?

> Some gfx card has to be

Yes, and you've been told for the last two months here which cards these are supposed to be. You saying "not only for damn integrated SM502 chip" implies support for the SM502 chip. That's why I asked you.

> and its part of the board.

This doesn't mean it has to be supported.

> Whole list of supported GFX cards is useless since PCI slot is occupied on SAMs.

Over the course of the last two months, you got a list of PCIe graphics cards that are said to be supported as soon as MorphOS for Sam460 is released.

> I have somehow missed that important update.

I have been telling you about it many times during the last two months but you chose to ignore it.