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Krisz

# 326
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 150 from 2023/3/22

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connor wrote:
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Krisz wrote:
Many applications?
and where to find them?

On the CD, on Aminet, on MorphOS-Storage ... Could you take a look yourself?
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Krisz wrote:
I haven't found a normal rar extractor that has a GUI

You open a new can all the time before you solved at least one of your issues. If you lack the experience and knowledge to solve one simple issue then it will not be easier to solve the next less obvious problem.
Anywy, to solve your newest problem: did you try to double click a RAR archive? I’n not sure if it works well or maybe you have to install the xad-rar.lha archive because then it is still not on the CD: https://www.morphos-storage.net/?find=rar
Then there is no GUI needed. You just double click a RAR archive and browse it like a directory. That’s it. This is how beauty and simple MorphOS is.
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Krisz wrote:
A normally written system is installed and works

Luckily, MorphOS is normally written 😊
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Krisz wrote:
you don't have to do any tricks to use it with as few problems as possible

You don't need tricks on MorphOS to use it. It works well. But if you know tricks it becomes even better.
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Krisz wrote:
Unfortunately I was disappointed with MorphOS
if I had known in advance that this would happen I wouldn't have spent so much time and money on it
Thanks for offering to help, but I think I'll sell both the G5 and G4 macs.

A better plan would have been if you had asked yourself: “how do I get the best out of it? Like all the users who enjoy it. Which information do I need? Where do I find it? How do I learn about the system step by step?”

I have to go to work now.
I think I'll neglect MorphOS for a few days and then start again with fresh energy
Unfortunately, I really don't have any patience anymore and I need to rest.
Thank you very much for the help from all users
Have a nice weekend everyone

Get ready for all because I'm back with my tiresome questions. 😂

[ Edited by Krisz 02.05.2025 - 14:05 ]
»02.05.25 - 14:04

connor

# 327
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
MorphOS is said to be a modern system
so it should support Radeon cards better

MacOS is said to be a modern system. Why can it not run Amiga software out of the box? Windows is said to be a mderon system. Why does it not have ARexx? Why can it not even show simple Amiga icons? Even Amiga and MorphOS can do it for decades!!!

You have a lot of specific expectations and make comparisons that make no sense. How can anybody help you if you keep on ignoring all the good advices that we gave here to you? then yes MorphOS is the wrong system for you. If you just keep to repeat the same blames again and again without the will to contribute to help then no one can help you. If you do not want to seriously try any of the tests with the many programs on the CD so that we can see what exactly is unstable for you, if you do not want to answer any of the questions we asked you to get the information that people need to help you because you don’t share any information at all that is relevant. Then yes, nobody can help you.
»02.05.25 - 14:04

Krisz

# 328
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 150 from 2023/3/22

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connor wrote:
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Krisz wrote:
MorphOS is said to be a modern system
so it should support Radeon cards better

MacOS is said to be a modern system. Why can it not run Amiga software out of the box? Windows is said to be a mderon system. Why does it not have ARexx? Why can it not even show simple Amiga icons? Even Amiga and MorphOS can do it for decades!!!

You have a lot of specific expectations and make comparisons that make no sense. How can anybody help you if you keep on ignoring all the good advices that we gave here to you? then yes MorphOS is the wrong system for you. If you just keep to repeat the same blames again and again without the will to contribute to help then no one can help you. If you do not want to seriously try any of the tests with the many programs on the CD so that we can see what exactly is unstable for you, if you do not want to answer any of the questions we asked you to get the information that people need to help you because you don’t share any information at all that is relevant. Then yes, nobody can help you.

There is no reason why MacOS and Windows should be able to display Amiga icons!
But since MorphOS is an Amiga compatible system, it is expected to be able to handle and display Amiga icons.
I think Microsoft and Apple have long forgotten about the Amiga
it's just the past for them
They have no interest in making their system Amiga compatible.
Microsoft had planned a Windows that could run Amiga programs a long time ago, but nothing came of it.
»02.05.25 - 14:13

connor

# 329
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
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tolkien wrote:
I dont know anybody with so many problems using MorphOS. It is a SO easy OS that cant understand so many difficulties.

I have read on several forums how users complain about the way MOS works and that they don't pay for such a system.The most annoying thing about this system is that when one application freezes, the entire system freezes with it.
There is no way to close the frozen application.
I don't get any error message that would give me any idea of what is causing the freeze.
When I have a lot of time, I'll make a video of how I use the system and everyone will see that my system really freezes a lot.

And that is very wrong. It is the contrary to AmigaOS. AmigaOS was easily crashing the whole system while in MorphOS you have better (nmot perfect but better) memory protection and the system isolates the crash for you so that the system continues. Exampole: YAM was super stable as long as Marcel Beck developed it. Then Jens Maus and Thore Böckelmann took over. YAM became buggy and crashed many times. But only YAM. The rest of the system continued. So I could just finish my work in other programs and If I wanted to then I could restart the system … or keep it running. Yes, there are programs which are written so badly that they crash the whole system. But they would do the same on AmigaOS too. We have no full memory protection, that’s a disadvantage. But also Windows can crash heavily although it has memory protection.
Then there is the task manager from where you can quit programs or with ScoutNG. Or the Shell with IKill.
In general You should be sceptic when you read blames in forums.
»02.05.25 - 14:15

Andreas_Wolf

# 330
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12358 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> you [...] only use MorphOS to run some old games that were never developed
> for it but only ported and even needing SDL and other libraries.

No, not old ported games, but both old non-ported (at least not to MorphOS) WarpOS/Warp3D games and new(er) ported SDL/TinyGL games.
»02.05.25 - 14:17

connor

# 331
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
Maybe the HDD is faulty, I can't think of anything else

Good idea!
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Krisz wrote:
I only replaced the HDD in the machine, but I still need to get a bigger SSD for my MacPro, and maybe I'll try again by reinstalling MOS on the SSD that's now in the MacPro
But I don't know if MorpOS will have problem with a Samsung Evo 850 SSD?

I don’t see why it should have. SSD from many vendors work without problems. You just have to create multiple partitions because the maximum for SFS is 128 GB per partition.
»02.05.25 - 14:18

connor

# 332
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
I don't know how the installation of Chrysalis works yet because it doesn't have an installer.

As far as I remember Chrysalis has an installer. I used it many years ago and then removed it because I did not like it because it copies over so many programs and games that you don’t need and use. It will just spam your disk and change configurations and then you have no idea what all the programs do and where the files are for it. Perfect measure to run into problems like you have. I would not install it if I was you.
»02.05.25 - 14:21

connor

# 333
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Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
The Amiga has always been an expensive machine
even more expensive than a Mac at the time

It was the opposite. When both wre developed in the 80s and 90s, Apples were always much more expensive (and often less powerful) than Amigas. You can go back to any computer magazine of that time and check the price lists and advertisements.
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Krisz wrote:
As for games, most of them were developed for AmigaOS, which users then ran on the MorphOS system.

Most of the games developed for the Amiga were written for a specific chipset like ECS, AGA but not workbench or grahics cards. So on MorphOS you need UAE or (if the game can be startred from Workbench at all) WHDLoad.
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Krisz wrote:
How many games or user programs can you list that were specifically developed for MorphOS?
I don't think it would be long to list.

Yes, because:
1) the times of Amiga game development were over.
2) The game developers often were ignoring graphics cards and Workbench
3) Most MorphOS users are more interested in a stable system for productivity than in a UAE console.
»02.05.25 - 14:27

connor

# 334
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
There are serious editors for AmigaOS

And most of them can be run just easily on MorphOS if you want. You can totally do that. But since we have Flow Studio, I don’t want to run any ancient Amiga editor anymore. Flow Studio is 20 years more advanced.
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Krisz wrote:
or at least that's what was considered such at the time, e.g. FinalWriter

Final Writer is not a text editor it is a word processor. You can use it as a text eiditor but that’s not the main functionality.
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Krisz wrote:
I've only used MorphOS on my pegasos2 for watching movies and playing games, so I'm not really familiar with what editing programs it includes.

Fair statement. You can walk through the directories on the system partition and check out the programs that come with it.
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Krisz wrote:
In 2024-25, an editor that supports the formats you listed will not be considered an extra in a system

… by YOU. It is your personal consideration. Every person has another considereation. Not you makes the standards and definitions.
And by the way: He did not list any formats at all. He named two text editors. And they are included in the system for many years. Ed from the beginning and Flow Studio for multiple years too. So with your brand new 3.19 installation you have it anyway.
»02.05.25 - 14:32

connor

# 335
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:

But I'll make a video about this too, and I'll even set the camera to capture the entire monitor and you'll see how the system freezes so much that only turning it off and on helps.

Cool, I want to see that.
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Krisz wrote:
This was the case with my pegasos2 machine, and I bought it from someone who knew how to install it.

Then why did you buy it?
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Krisz wrote:
I don't understand why many people here claim that MorpOS is a stable system?

Because it is. I don’t understand why you ignore hundreds of comments, links to video demonstrations how stable it is under load with hundreds of different programs and even the games that you have problems with. Can you tell us?
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Krisz wrote:
A stable system is one that does not freeze due to a faulty application
The application itself freezes but the system remains functional and can close the frozen application like on MacOS

Have you ever seen Windows Blue screen? It still happens in 2025. So by your definition Windows is not stable. Cool, because then MorphOS is not worse than Windows And also Linux can crash and maybe even MacOS.
»02.05.25 - 14:40

connor

# 336
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Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
I'm not disputing that the system includes a text editor
I just said that the default editor that opens the txt file didn't allow editing

The default tool that opens a text file is a text VIEWER, not an editor. This is done for speed reasons.
The default tool that opens an image is an image VIEWER, not a paint program.

It can be argued if it is useful to open text in a viewer first. But you cannot expect from a viewer that it allows writing. You cannot expect from your fridge that it cooks your food. You would also not expect from MultiVIEW that you can write text, or it has to be called MultiWRITE or MultiEDIT.

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Krisz wrote:
I don't know what AmigaOS4x contains because I haven't had the chance to use such a system yet.
But I'm sure there is an editor for AmigaOS that supports UTF-8 format, it's a different question who uses it.

What I find interesting is that you always follow negative comments "in some forum" about MorphOS and do not try to figure out yourself but when you have no idea about AmigaOS you assume the positive. Why is that?

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Krisz wrote:
If I need to edit anything, even an image, I use MacOS where there are much more advanced and stable programs available.

No problem. We understood that the only reason for you to launch AmigaOS or MorphOS is to run old games of which the most of them are not even original Amiga games. You don't want to make use of the system, fair enough. You can do as you like. I prefer to use the software that is available for AmigaOS and MorphOS because then I can do everything on one system and don't need another.

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Krisz wrote:
In the past, serious editors that are still used by many today, such as LightWave, Blender, Cynema4d, were released for AmigaOS
these programs were so successful that they were ported to Windows
although they didn't work as well there as they did on Amiga
Ezt olyan emberek mondták, akik 3D modellezéssel foglalkoznak.
Én pont ezeket a programokat próbáltam ki régebben Amigán.

És ez jól dokumentált. Én is használtam őket. De az Amiga már nem népszerű.
»02.05.25 - 14:54

Andreas_Wolf

# 337
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12358 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> About copying files: it is written in the INSTALLATION paragraph.
>> Copy the Prefs, rename the lib, copy the other lib. That's it.

> one expects a system to be easy to install and work with.

As you must know by now, Wazp3D *is not* part of the "system". That's why you had to download it from a 3rd-party repository.
»02.05.25 - 14:55

koszer

# 338
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1325 from 2004/2/8

From: Poland

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Krisz wrote:
So far the game has started, although with faulty graphics, but it worked
and I don't understand why it doesn't now

It doesn't, because you're a troll by all means. If you set the screenmode to 16 bit, the game won't run with these Wazp3D settings. If you set the screenmode to 24 bit, the game runs normally.

HERE'S A VIDEO MADE ESPECIALLY FOR YOU, KRISZ.

That's my last entry to this pointless thread. You're a confirmed troll, mister. Go get some life somewhere else.
»02.05.25 - 14:59

connor

# 339
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
but I said I'm not that familiar with MorphOS
I've been using MacOS for years and that's what I'm used to

And that's the problem with expectation. Why should AmigaOS/MorphOS behave like MacOS?
»02.05.25 - 15:00

Andreas_Wolf

# 340
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12358 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> if you can find the editor icon on macOS there is
> no reason why you cannot find it on MorphOS.

I think the difference between the two OS in this regard is that double-clicking a text file in macOS opens it in an editor, not in a viewer, so that he didn't have to find an editor icon there.
»02.05.25 - 15:11

connor

# 341
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Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
read the description of wazp3d but I didn't see any part where it mentioned that the possible warp3d library should be deleted.It's true that I don't speak English, but as I've seen on other English forums, I'm not the only one who couldn't install it the first time.

No problem. Others succeeded with exactly these instructions. So are the instructions wrong?
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Krisz wrote:
Mac machines, for example, the Quadra, if I remember correctly, had a 40 processor as standard, while an Amiga 1200 had a 20 processor, so the Amiga had to be developed from scratch to be as fast as the Mac, so I think the Amiga can be considered a more expensive machine.

Why do you think that? Why don't you comapre an Amiga 4000 against the Quadra? Why don't you look at the price tag of that time?

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Krisz wrote:
LW and almost all the programs you use on the "great" MorphOS system now are all thanks to the Amiga developers
A machine or system is kept alive by the programs written on it!
No matter how good a system is, it doesn't have enough software support.
Many of you here criticize the Amiga and AmigaOS, and without the Amiga there would be no MorphOS.
The Amiga is "crap" but it's still good to use Amiga software, right?

Who said it is crap?
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Krisz wrote:
I'm going to get a machine that can run AmigaOS4 and gain my own experience on which one works better MorphOS or AmigaOS

That's good! I am curious about your experience. I just wonder why you want to experience AmigaOS when you don't want to experience MorphOS but only use it for playing ancient games and SDL ports.
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Krisz wrote:

It's also more likable in terms of videos made about OS4, and I can't imagine it being as bad as some users here claim.
This is starting to be like when people argue about politics
everyone sticks to their own party and even if it doesn't work properly, they still don't see it or don't want to see it :)

THat's your view. Not everyone is that fixated. There are many users who own both systems and enjoy them. Or respect what the others are doing.
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Krisz wrote:
I can say that when I was using os3.9 on my PowerAmiga I didn't have many problems with it.
I didn't have to restart every few minutes because the system would freeze
and the games ran at a pleasant speed
and the point is that there were a lot of applications on it
something that was specifically Amiga development and not porting
There's nothing wrong with using Amiga programs on MorphOS, just remember that MorphOS is also thanks to Amiga

No one here denies the Amiga roots. Most of the users have startred with Amiga before they moved on to MorphOS.
»02.05.25 - 15:14

connor

# 342
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:

Several people have already written here about how the Amiga and AmigaOS are behind MorphOS etc.

That doesn't mean it is shit. MorphOS is just more advanced. That's all.

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Krisz wrote:
and I wrote that it's still good to use Amiga programs

No one denies that.
»02.05.25 - 15:31

connor

# 343
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
Unfortunately, Amiga developers have always been rivalitate, and when developing a system for such a small user base, they should have come together to create a good system.
If the MorphOS and AmigaOS development teams could live side by side in peace, they could work together to develop a system

I think the rivalry is long over. Both exist side by side like any other OSes. Some users use one, others use both. Even MorphOS developer bigfoot helped the OS4 team to make OS4 run on X5000. Without him they would not have made it (or later).
»02.05.25 - 15:34

connor

# 344
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> when developing a system for such a small user base,
> they should have come together to create a good system.

There was a good system in 2001, but another entity wanted to either control that system or, if that wasn't possible, create its own.

> If the MorphOS and AmigaOS development teams could live side
> by side in peace, they could work together to develop a system

Living side by side is in peace is what the actual development teams have been doing for many years. Merging MorphOS and OS4 on the other hand would require completely different things, if it would even make technical sense at all.

Working together does not require to merge existing stuff. They could also work together and create something new.
»02.05.25 - 15:41

connor

# 345
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Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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jPV wrote:
I always enable the Debug screenbar module, and then enable the Activity Light on its settings.

Which activity light do you mean?
»02.05.25 - 15:48

connor

# 346
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Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
I try to answer everything but it's not that easy due to my lack of language skills.

I repeat questions from #145:
Which installer exactly?
What exactly freezes? Which programs freeze?
What you wrote is your experience is based on games only, right? Or do you have any programs that are unstable?

#146
What exactly do you do that it gets unstable? Which programs do you run? Which errors did you find?

Do you only use MorphOS for playing games?

Which compatibility do you wait for improve?

#151
Maybe also the RAM. Did you check it is correct? Or do you have other modules to try? […] If you boot from the CD and run all the programs that are on the CD only, does it also freeze? Where exactly?

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Krisz wrote:
I mentioned that I made a video yesterday about some bugs
but I don't know how to share it
I might upload it to a file sharing site and anyone who thinks they would like to watch it can download it using the link I'll provide.

That's the way to go. You cannot attach images or videos here.
»02.05.25 - 15:59

connor

# 347
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
I don't know how I could do everything wrong when everything except Wazp3D has an installer

Maybe it does not have an installer because the 3 steps are so simple.

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Krisz wrote:
And yes, one expects a system to be easy to install and work with.

Which "system" do you mean here? MorphOS IS easy to install and work with. It does not take even 10 minutes. What you mean by "system" are third party programs. Then speak to the authors that their software cannot be installed by you. But it has nothing to do with MorphOS.

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Krisz wrote:
I also installed SDL with its own installer, which can't be messed up.
I also installed MorphOs with its own installer

Luckily!
»02.05.25 - 16:02

connor

# 348
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Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
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koszer wrote:
By the way: You may want to upload your video to YouTube, no need to overcomplicate things (although it seems you really like doing this).

You're not seeing things clearly
it's not that I like to overcomplicate things, but the way MorphOS works is too complicated

you ARE overcomplicating things because: what does MorphOS have to do with where you upload your video in order to link it in this forum?

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Krisz wrote:
I install MacOS and it works
it's the same with Windows

You even installed MorphOS and it works

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Krisz wrote:
I know there are instructions on how to install add-ons, but since they're not in my native language, it's not that easy for me.
I know there is Google Translate, which works "well".But I have to constantly switch to MacOS if I want to translate a description and then back to MorphOS
It starts to get boring after a while
I think I should learn English.

English would help, yes. No one expects you to speak English. Sorry that t his makes your life harder. Hopefully the Hungarian translation in MorphOS will be improved one day. Don't you have a smartphone to translate the texts?
»02.05.25 - 16:08

connor

# 349
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
I don't understand why you're saying I didn't answer the questions?

Because you didn't answer them. I repeated them in #346.
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Krisz wrote:
I already wrote that I didn't do anything that would break MorphOS.
I installed MorphOS from the CD, which I don't think can be done wrong because the installscript written by the MorphOS team does the installation.

That's why it is so easy and fool-proof.
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Krisz wrote:
Then I installed the TiniGL and SDL packages, which also have a factory installer.

So you did not start at least one program from the CD to check the system stability.
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Krisz wrote:
What can I try from the MorphOS CD?

Everything. There are so many programs on the CD.
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Krisz wrote:
I set the wallpaper and used the disk formatting program
and that's about it

That answers one of my old questions: you did not really start ANY MorphOS program. You only tried to run third party software which fails for you for which you then blame MorphOS.

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Krisz wrote:
You've written several times that the settings might be wrong

I have never written that.
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Krisz wrote:
I don't understand how it could be wrong
when you install a system it should work and that's it

And it does that but you are not using it You only use external programs that don't work for you and then say MorphOS is not working.
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Krisz wrote:
If this doesn't happen, then we are talking about an non unuser-friendly system.

We are talking about a user of software A that blames B for A not working.
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Krisz wrote:
I didn't do anything unexpected
I got help setting up warpz3D and did everything as advised
You can see in the pictures that I used the settings recommended here.

I don't use Wazp3d, so I don't if your settings are right. Luckily others here can do so.
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Krisz wrote:
nevertheless, it's still not good
I messed something up but I don't know what.?
I don't think sharing the video I made would help much either.

I think it would because we only get puzzle pieces from you of what you are doing and then have to guess in order to help you.
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Krisz wrote:
The best thing I could do would really be to take a break for a few days, buy an SSD, and start the installation from scratch.
Unfortunately, my patience has completely run out.
I've been sleeping very little lately and my brain isn't working properly.

Then it is definitely time to take a rest .
»02.05.25 - 16:24

connor

# 350
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Posts: 650 from 2007/7/29

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Krisz wrote:
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connor wrote:
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Krisz wrote:
MorphOS is said to be a modern system
so it should support Radeon cards better

MacOS is said to be a modern system. Why can it not run Amiga software out of the box? Windows is said to be a mderon system. Why does it not have ARexx? Why can it not even show simple Amiga icons? Even Amiga and MorphOS can do it for decades!!!

You have a lot of specific expectations and make comparisons that make no sense. How can anybody help you if you keep on ignoring all the good advices that we gave here to you? then yes MorphOS is the wrong system for you. If you just keep to repeat the same blames again and again without the will to contribute to help then no one can help you. If you do not want to seriously try any of the tests with the many programs on the CD so that we can see what exactly is unstable for you, if you do not want to answer any of the questions we asked you to get the information that people need to help you because you don’t share any information at all that is relevant. Then yes, nobody can help you.

There is no reason why MacOS and Windows should be able to display Amiga icons!

YOU GOT IT! Then why are you expecting things from MorphOS that are unrealistic?

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Krisz wrote:
But since MorphOS is an Amiga compatible system, it is expected to be able to handle and display Amiga icons.
I think Microsoft and Apple have long forgotten about the Amiga
it's just the past for them
They have no interest in making their system Amiga compatible.
Microsoft had planned a Windows that could run Amiga programs a long time ago, but nothing came of it.

... and here you fell for the trick ...
»02.05.25 - 16:28