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FYI: Powerbook 5.9 heat problems

metatron

# 26
Butterfly

Posts: 72 from 2011/11/18

Did anybody tried the update 3.6 and experienced any improovements regarding the shutdown temperature/fan speeds?
I am currently not at home but I will try next week.
»29.06.14 - 21:31

DH1

# 27
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2013/12/16

PowerBook 5,8
G4 1,67,
ATI R9700 128MB,
1,5 GB RAM ...
64 MB mSATA SSD + Delock IDE2mSATA adapter
MOS3.6

Return to Castle Wolfenstein game ... Off after 6 minutes!

The machine is cleaned, re thermal pasted!

Random fans spin up.

Eg. dopus files copyed ...

While 3D programs, the machine is hot.

Whatever I do in OSX, it does not stop, and half the fans are loud.
»30.06.14 - 15:24

pegasos-sigi2

# 28
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 265 from 2006/8/31

Quote:

DH1 wrote:
PowerBook 5,8
G4 1,67,
ATI R9700 128MB,
1,5 GB RAM ...
64 MB mSATA SSD + Delock IDE2mSATA adapter
MOS3.6

Return to Castle Wolfenstein game ... Off after 6 minutes!

The machine is cleaned, re thermal pasted!

Random fans spin up.

Eg. dopus files copyed ...

While 3D programs, the machine is hot.

Whatever I do in OSX, it does not stop, and half the fans are loud.

MorphOS can set the cpu only to full speed or 50% speed on a powerbook.
If your powerbook to hot try the system settings to reduce the speed to 50%.
The gpu speed is the same.
Spreedy - The spreedsheet editor of MorphOS
Calimero - Do you know about the new DTP Program for MorphOS ?
»30.06.14 - 16:41

DH1

# 29
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2013/12/16

okok, but RTCW working only 6 min!!!

The machine is unusable so!
Under OSX on the other hand excellently useful!
This is not hardware error ...

I know several 5.8's owner is also the problem with them.

:(
»30.06.14 - 18:29

pegasos-sigi2

# 30
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 265 from 2006/8/31

Quote:

DH1 wrote:
okok, but RTCW working only 6 min!!!

The machine is unusable so!
Under OSX on the other hand excellently useful!
This is not hardware error ...

I know several 5.8's owner is also the problem with them.

:(

I have a Powerbook 5.7 and there are no overheading.
A Hardwarebug and Macosx have a workaround ?
In the meantime change to 50 % speed (= lower heading).
Spreedy - The spreedsheet editor of MorphOS
Calimero - Do you know about the new DTP Program for MorphOS ?
»30.06.14 - 18:57

WB_Coder

# 31
Butterfly

Posts: 66 from 2014/5/1

I would suggest that all owners of G4 PowerBooks try to find and buy replacement fan assemblies, or just the fans themselves, if they want to keep using their PowerBooks long into the future. The fans will eventually fail.

Also, I think that every owner should remove, clean and apply new thermal paste on their G4 PowerBooks. When I did mine, the paste was completely dried out and like chalk, as if the heatsink was not positioned properly and there was too much of a gap between the heatsink and the CPU & GPU.

I have not had any over-heating problems since I have cleaned and re-applied the thermal paste on my 17" G4 1.67GHz PowerBook while running MorphOS3.x.
WB_Coder = Wanna Be Coder
»30.06.14 - 20:12

DH1

# 32
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2013/12/16

Quote:

pegasos-sigi2 wrote:
I have a Powerbook 5.7 and there are no overheading.
A Hardwarebug and Macosx have a workaround ?
In the meantime change to 50 % speed (= lower heading).

Excuse me, but who cares for your 5.7-inch machine?
Here, many well-run under OSX operating system, version 5.8 is a laptop!
When completed without error under OSX, cleaned and repasted again, the problem is in the MOS!
Under OSX 3D tests go for hours without power loss or turn off!
»01.07.14 - 00:40

Andreas_Wolf

# 33
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> I have a Powerbook 5.7

> who cares for your 5.7-inch machine? [...] version 5.8 is a laptop!

PowerBook5,7 is a laptop just like your PowerBook5,8 is. Nothing about inches there.
»01.07.14 - 06:43

DH1

# 34
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2013/12/16

just a translation error!
of course I know!
sorry

[ Edited by DH1 01.07.2014 - 09:40 ]
»01.07.14 - 08:39

metatron

# 35
Butterfly

Posts: 72 from 2011/11/18

Quote:

WB_Coder schrieb:
I would suggest that all owners of G4 PowerBooks try to find and buy replacement fan assemblies,

Why should I replace the fans when under OSX both fans spin up correctly and under Morphos not. This doesnt make sense.

Quote:

Also, I think that every owner should remove, clean and apply new thermal paste on their G4 PowerBooks.

Already done. I would recommend you to read the whole thread first.

I am really looking forward installing version 3.6 because with version 3.5 I get thermal shutdowns after few minutes. Under OSX my Powerbook 5.9 never shuts down due to heat.
Until now I cannot recommend myself a daily use of MOS for my Powerbook because I am scared to wreck it... :(

[ Editiert durch metatron 01.07.2014 - 13:28 ]
»01.07.14 - 12:44

pegasos-sigi2

# 36
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 265 from 2006/8/31

Quote:

metatron wrote:
Quote:

WB_Coder schrieb:
I would suggest that all owners of G4 PowerBooks try to find and buy replacement fan assemblies,

Why should I replace the fans when under OSX both fans spin up correctly and under Morphos not. This doesnt make sense.

[Quote]
Also, I think that every owner should remove, clean and apply new thermal paste on their G4 PowerBooks.

Already done. I would recommend you to read the whole thread first.

I am really looking forward installing version 3.6 because with version 3.5 I get thermal shutdowns after few minutes. Under OSX my Powerbook 5.9 never shuts down due to heat.
Until now I cannot recommend myself a daily use of MOS for my Powerbook because I am scared to wreck it... :(

If the heading > 100 °C its dangerous.
If the heading <= 100°C is good
Spreedy - The spreedsheet editor of MorphOS
Calimero - Do you know about the new DTP Program for MorphOS ?

»01.07.14 - 13:12

WB_Coder

# 37
Butterfly

Posts: 66 from 2014/5/1

Quote:

metatron wrote:
Quote:

WB_Coder schrieb:
I would suggest that all owners of G4 PowerBooks try to find and buy replacement fan assemblies,

Why should I replace the fans when under OSX both fans spin up correctly and under Morphos not. This doesnt make sense.

Quote:

Also, I think that every owner should remove, clean and apply new thermal paste on their G4 PowerBooks.

Already done. I would recommend you to read the whole thread first.

I am really looking forward installing version 3.6 because with version 3.5 I get thermal shutdowns after few minutes. Under OSX my Powerbook 5.9 never shuts down due to heat.
Until now I cannot recommend myself a daily use of MOS for my Powerbook because I am scared to wreck it... :(

[ Editiert durch metatron 01.07.2014 - 13:28 ]

My reply was for all PowerBook owners, not just a recommendation for you, who has already done the cleaning and reapplying of the thermal paste.

I don't know why one of your fans is not spinning up when your temperatures start to get too hot, or it does not spin up early enough to keep your PowerBook from overheating and shutting down. I think Jadacaps suggested that there might be a problem with the voltage going to the CPU fan that is not showing up in MacOSX, but in MorphOS the voltage is not rising soon enough to prevent your problem. Hopefully MorphOS3.6 changes to temperature control will help resolve your problem.

The suggestion to buy replacement fans is to have them for the future, when your fans fail. Who knows if replacement fans will be available several months or a few years from now. Like most Amiga users, I keep my computers for a long time and plan to keep my PowerBook running MorphOS for a long time as well, so I want to have replacement parts now, and not have to search for them in the future. Specially for the few parts that are most likely to fail. The fans and the power input board assembly, perhaps a couple of other things.
WB_Coder = Wanna Be Coder
»01.07.14 - 13:38

DH1

# 38
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2013/12/16

Cleaning: OK
Reapplying of the thermal paste: OK
Both fans run perfectly: OK

but already shut down MOS3.6

OSX never shut down

...

What more can I do?
»05.07.14 - 19:04

pegasos-sigi2

# 39
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 265 from 2006/8/31

Quote:

DH1 wrote:
Cleaning: OK
Reapplying of the thermal paste: OK
Both fans run perfectly: OK

but already shut down MOS3.6

OSX never shut down

...

What more can I do?

Whitch prog runs all the time?
Spreedy - The spreedsheet editor of MorphOS
Calimero - Do you know about the new DTP Program for MorphOS ?
»05.07.14 - 20:57

WB_Coder

# 40
Butterfly

Posts: 66 from 2014/5/1

Quote:

DH1 wrote:
Cleaning: OK
Reapplying of the thermal paste: OK
Both fans run perfectly: OK

but already shut down MOS3.6

OSX never shut down

...

What more can I do?

Wow, that is a strange situation. Sorry to read about your problem. It must be very frustrating for you.

I hope someone on the MorphOS Dev. Team can figure out what is happening and provide a fix for you.

Personally, I would not mind if jadacaps set the temperature that the fans begin to run at a lower temp, so the fans come on earlier. PowerBook fans aren't that loud anyway, so they don't bother me even if they run all the time, but that would just wear them out sooner.
WB_Coder = Wanna Be Coder
»06.07.14 - 02:41

DH1

# 41
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2013/12/16

Quote:

pegasos-sigi2 wrote:
Quote:

DH1 wrote:
Cleaning: OK
Reapplying of the thermal paste: OK
Both fans run perfectly: OK

but already shut down MOS3.6

OSX never shut down

...

What more can I do?

Whitch prog runs all the time?

e.g. run Return to Castle Wolfenstein: 6-8 min shut down
All along, the fans go full speed.

or.

e.g. DirOpus4 file copy ... The CPU load is jumping up and down

I made a video.
Sorry for the bad quality!
Iphone 3GS ...

Later, Done Right!

Please push you up the volume!

http://youtu.be/GlnHXdcCWis
»06.07.14 - 10:53

pegasos-sigi2

# 42
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 265 from 2006/8/31

I run ROCW hours without shutdown.
The temp of my powerbook are max 97°C on the CPU. Yours are lower.
I have a powerbook G4/1600 Version 1.7 with a radeon 9600.
Have you change anything in your powerbook?
Other grafic card and so on ?

It looks like a overheading GPU.
Or a sensor is defect.

Quote:

DH1 wrote:
Quote:

pegasos-sigi2 wrote:
Quote:

DH1 wrote:
Cleaning: OK
Reapplying of the thermal paste: OK
Both fans run perfectly: OK

but already shut down MOS3.6

OSX never shut down

...

What more can I do?

Whitch prog runs all the time?

e.g. run Return to Castle Wolfenstein: 6-8 min shut down
All along, the fans go full speed.

or.

e.g. DirOpus4 file copy ... The CPU load is jumping up and down

I made a video.
Sorry for the bad quality!
Iphone 3GS ...

Later, Done Right!

Please push you up the volume!

http://youtu.be/GlnHXdcCWis
Spreedy - The spreedsheet editor of MorphOS
Calimero - Do you know about the new DTP Program for MorphOS ?
»06.07.14 - 11:21

DH1

# 43
Just looking around

Posts: 18 from 2013/12/16

Quote:

pegasos-sigi2 wrote:
I run ROCW hours without shutdown.
The temp of my powerbook are max 97°C on the CPU. Yours are lower.
I have a powerbook G4/1600 Version 1.7 with a radeon 9600.
Have you change anything in your powerbook?
Other grafic card and so on ?

It looks like a overheading GPU.
Or a sensor is defect.

Quote:

DH1 wrote:
Quote:

pegasos-sigi2 wrote:
Quote:

DH1 wrote:
Cleaning: OK
Reapplying of the thermal paste: OK
Both fans run perfectly: OK

but already shut down MOS3.6

OSX never shut down

...

What more can I do?

Whitch prog runs all the time?

e.g. run Return to Castle Wolfenstein: 6-8 min shut down
All along, the fans go full speed.

or.

e.g. DirOpus4 file copy ... The CPU load is jumping up and down

I made a video.
Sorry for the bad quality!
Iphone 3GS ...

Later, Done Right!

Please push you up the volume!

http://youtu.be/GlnHXdcCWis

Serial Number: W8549J99SX2
Model: - PowerBook G4 (15-inch Double Layer SD) (CTO)
Processor speed: - 1.67 GHz.
Processor Type: - PPC, G4
Number of Cores: - 1
Bus Speed: - 167 MHz
Display Size: - 15.2-inch.
Graphics Card: - ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (GraphicsBoards MOS app: 9600PROTurbo...)
Card Memory: - 128 MB
Max. Resolution: - 1440 x 960

If the CPU becomes too hot, or it would be a bad sensor, the error would be on OSX too! No?
»06.07.14 - 11:54

metatron

# 44
Butterfly

Posts: 72 from 2011/11/18

Now I got some time to make the upgrade from 3.5 to 3.6.
But it's not possible for me to do any further testings because MOS freezes randomly after upgrading to 3.6. Can't reproduce it with a specific proceedure - it happens randomly: opening a window, starting a program or just moving the mouse, etc...
The freeze keeps the current displayed picture in the screen. There's no endless sound loop. The machine doesnt react on any input (keyboard and/or mouse). I have to turn it off and return it on.

How I made the upgrade:
Downloaded the 3.6 ISO. Burned it to a CD. Bootet from CD. Selected Install and then upgrade installation. Nothing more.
»06.07.14 - 12:33

Andreas_Wolf

# 45
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> powerbook G4/1600 Version 1.7

Strange type designation.

> Have you change anything in your powerbook? Other grafic card and so on ?

I don't think it's possible to change the GPU.
»06.07.14 - 12:42

metatron

# 46
Butterfly

Posts: 72 from 2011/11/18

Thx to the hint of Chain-Q my system doesnt freeze anymore.

Well, there are some very noticeable improovements with the upgrade 3.6.

1.
Now both fans of my powerbook are spinning (left and right one).
2.
Allthough the temperatures of CPU (about 61-62°C) and GPU (57-58°C) seem to be the same as before, the system doesnt shutdown anymore.
I ran the standard Quake II timedemo in an endless loop for about an hour and the book is still running.

Many thx for this update, well done!
»08.07.14 - 19:44

boot_wb

# 47
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 874 from 2007/4/9

From: Kingston upon ...

Quote:

DH1 wrote:
e.g. run Return to Castle Wolfenstein: 6-8 min shut down
All along, the fans go full speed.

or.

e.g. DirOpus4 file copy ... The CPU load is jumping up and down

I made a video.
Sorry for the bad quality!
Iphone 3GS ...

Later, Done Right!

Please push you up the volume!

http://youtu.be/GlnHXdcCWis

Another possiblity, how's your battery?

Quote:

Now, for the past few years, I have mostly been using this PowerBook at home with the power adapter and an old, burnt-out battery in the slot, keeping newer batteries stored away for the occasional trip, I didn't think that the old battery mattered at all, as it actually was the power supply that kept the machine running. Or so I thought... for it DID matter. Whichever way this might be explained, the fact is that after replacing (a bit out of despair, I must admit) the old battery with a newer one, the noise, the overheating and the weird behaviour have ceased immediately. So, at this point, I can only conclude that the dramatic noise from the fans was a healthy behaviour in reaction to overheating on the part of the battery recharging interface.

http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/powerbookg4/topic2815.html

[ Edited by boot_wb 08.07.2014 - 20:21 ]
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»08.07.14 - 20:20