> can you tell me how can i benchmark them ? is there a
> benchmarking software for MorphOS ?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6369&forum=11&start=2
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8417&forum=11&start=10

I did some test with AmiMark on my PowerBook with standard Samsung HM160C hard drive and here are the results:

·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Read from FILE - [DH2] |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·

| Minimum : 1.30 MB/s |
| Maximum : 80.87 MB/s |
| Average : 42.22 MB/s |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 9.29 Percent |
! !
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Write fo FILE - [DH2] |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·

| Minimum : 0.68 MB/s |
| Maximum : 51.47 MB/s |
| Average : 18.13 MB/s |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 3.99 Percent


PLEASE Soundsquare can you do the same on your systems?

http://www.219.dic.at/data/software/projects/AmigaMARK/AmigaMARK-morphos.lha


[ Edited by Miky060 25.10.2012 - 18:47 ]

In AmigaMARK Hard Disk settings I just setted Read and write options via dos.library..

I've just tested my PowerMac with SSD+SATA combo, just for fun ;)

Read from FILE

Minimum : 2.34 MB/s
Maximum : 99.34 MB/s
Average : 54.68 MB/s

AmigaMARKS : 12.3 Percent

Write fo FILE

Minimum : 2.53 MB/s
Maximum : 94.54 MB/s
Average : 52.57 MB/s

AmigaMARKS : 11.56 Percent

@Pampers
this results are from the SATA HD or the IDE SSD?

i'll benchmark my DDS tomorrow and post results here.

SSD+SATA combo

Pampers your info does not answer my question. Am i wrong or on your SSD is there just the boot.img while all the data is on the SATA Hard Drive (not SSD)? Is so, then your test results are just relative to the SATA one.

Got that 120GB KingSpec SSD in my iBook, will give AmigaMARK a (non)spin later this weekend.

Thanks Kronos!

P.S. Do you have MorphOS on your iBook!?

Milky I've said SSD+SATA combo so what I meant is that I use Sonnet Sata controller with SSD drive. I have no IDE drives at all.

Ah ok then!
So the read speed is not so better than the one I got with a normal 2,5" IDE 4500rpm hard drive! The write speed instead is quite better.

here is what Amimark gives me for the 64gb OWC SSD into my powerbook, i'll benchmark the kingspec in the macmini later today


·==========================================================================·
¡ ¡
| H A R D D R I V E R E S U L T S |
| |
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Read from FILE - [DH1] |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 100 Percent at : 500.0 MB/se c |
| Score weight : 110.0% |
| Loopsize [bytes] : 16777216 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Blocksize MB/sec |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 128 2.26 |
| 256 5.18 |
| 512 10.32 |
| 1024 20.54 |
| 2048 40.77 |
| 4096 79.74 |
| 8192 150.95 |
| 16384 41.77 |
| 32768 56.67 |
| 65536 70.3 |
| 131072 75.76 |
| 262144 80.57 |
| 524288 81.53 |
| 1048576 81.26 |
| 2097152 81.70 |
| 4194304 82.5 |
| 8388608 81.98 |
| |
| Minimum : 2.26 MB/s |
| Maximum : 150.95 MB/s |
| Average : 61.36 MB/s |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 13.49 Percent |
! !
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Write fo FILE - [DH1] |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 100 Percent at : 500.0 MB/sec |
| Score weight : 110.0% |
| Loopsize [bytes] : 16777216 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Blocksize MB/sec |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 128 2.30 |
| 256 5.9 |
| 512 10.15 |
| 1024 20.16 |
| 2048 39.97 |
| 4096 77.75 |
| 8192 28.41 |
| 16384 43.93 |
| 32768 59.27 |
| 65536 71.69 |
| 131072 75.97 |
| 262144 82.28 |
| 524288 85.20 |
| 1048576 86.2 |
| 2097152 83.80 |
| 4194304 73.78 |
| 8388608 73.4 |
| |
| Minimum : 2.30 MB/s |
| Maximum : 86.2 MB/s |
| Average : 54.5 MB/s |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 11.89 Percent |
! !
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| |
| dos.library standart functions - [DH1] |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| Files : 2000 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Method AmigaMARKS OP/sec |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| [+] Create Files 52.6 4386.25 |
| [+] Set Filesize 18.2 10116.38 |
| [+] Close Files [writing] 21.3 13371.12 |
| [+] Open Files 78.9 6578.81 |
| [+] Close Files [reading] 34.3 21486.66 |
| [+] Set Comment 14.6 8133.85 |
| [+] Set Protection 27.7 15419.96 |
| [+] Set Date 31.9 17755.52 |
| [+] Directory Scan 71.2 39557.71 |
| [+] Delete Files 4.9 2048.73 |
| [+] Seek in File 20.3 40786.36 |
| [+] Rename Files 30.1 12579.48 |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 31.22 Percent |
| |
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Read from DEVICE [direct-access] SCSI_DA_READ_10 |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 100 Percent at : 500.0 MB/s |
| Score weight : 110.0% |
| Loopsize (bytes) : 16777216 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Blocksize MB/sec |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 512 3.27 |
| 1024 6.43 |
| 2048 12.6 |
| 4096 20.93 |
| 8192 33.41 |
| 16384 48.44 |
| 32768 61.0 |
| 65536 66.86 |
| 131072 76.52 |
| 262144 80.36 |
| 524288 82.65 |
| 1048576 83.76 |
| 2097152 82.54 |
| 4194304 82.38 |
| 8388608 81.17 |
| |
| Minimum : 3.27 MB/s |
| Maximum : 83.76 MB/s |
| Average : 54.79 MB/s |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 12.5 Percent |
! !
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Seek on DEVICE [direct-access] SCSI_DA_SEEK_10 |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 100 Percent at : 0.0 ms |
| Score weight : 150.0% |
| Loopsize : 100 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Method ms |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| [+] Random Blocks 0.4 |
| [+] Random Tracks 0.4 |
| [+] Random Cylinders 0.4 |
| [+] Block 2 Block 0.4 |
| [+] Track 2 Track 0.4 |
| [+] Cylinder 2 Cylinder 0.4 |
| [+] First <-> Last 0.2 |
| |
| Average Random-Access: 0.5 ms |
| Average Sequential-Access : 0.3 ms |
| Total Average Access: 0.4 ms |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 100.0 Percent |
! !
· ·
¡ ¡
| |
| T O T A L - D R V - A m i g a M A R K S : 33.73 Percent |
! !
·==========================================================================·

Soundsquare thanksa lot!
You're getting a read speed of 61MB/s! A really good result.

and finally here are the Kingspec 64gb results on the macmini, the OWC is faster, especially on writing speeds :

·==========================================================================·
¡ ¡
| H A R D D R I V E R E S U L T S |
| |
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Read from FILE - [DH1] |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 100 Percent at : 500.0 MB/se c |
| Score weight : 110.0% |
| Loopsize [bytes] : 16777216 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Blocksize MB/sec |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 128 2.43 |
| 256 4.90 |
| 512 9.76 |
| 1024 19.43 |
| 2048 38.37 |
| 4096 74.72 |
| 8192 138.17 |
| 16384 22.64 |
| 32768 55.4 |
| 65536 53.70 |
| 131072 66.86 |
| 262144 72.40 |
| 524288 69.85 |
| 1048576 76.95 |
| 2097152 78.35 |
| 4194304 78.72 |
| 8388608 79.1 |
| |
| Minimum : 2.43 MB/s |
| Maximum : 138.17 MB/s |
| Average : 55.37 MB/s |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 12.18 Percent |
! !
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Write fo FILE - [DH1] |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 100 Percent at : 500.0 MB/sec |
| Score weight : 110.0% |
| Loopsize [bytes] : 16777216 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Blocksize MB/sec |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 128 2.42 |
| 256 4.87 |
| 512 9.68 |
| 1024 19.24 |
| 2048 37.92 |
| 4096 73.13 |
| 8192 22.9 |
| 16384 4.59 |
| 32768 50.33 |
| 65536 31.29 |
| 131072 33.23 |
| 262144 47.68 |
| 524288 55.55 |
| 1048576 61.24 |
| 2097152 66.16 |
| 4194304 68.41 |
| 8388608 69.93 |
| |
| Minimum : 2.42 MB/s |
| Maximum : 73.13 MB/s |
| Average : 38.69 MB/s |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 8.51 Percent |
! !
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| |
| dos.library standart functions - [DH1] |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| Files : 2000 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Method AmigaMARKS OP/sec |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| [+] Create Files 84.5 7043.22 |
| [+] Set Filesize 19.4 10811.51 |
| [+] Close Files [writing] 41.1 25716.85 |
| [+] Open Files 100.0 11449.24 |
| [+] Close Files [reading] 58.9 36851.41 |
| [+] Set Comment 14.9 8293.7 |
| [+] Set Protection 26.9 14951.3 |
| [+] Set Date 23.9 13289.83 |
| [+] Directory Scan 63.3 35193.63 |
| [+] Delete Files 0.9 399.21 |
| [+] Seek in File 18.1 36302.25 |
| [+] Rename Files 27.7 11552.41 |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 38.0 Percent |
| |
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Read from DEVICE [direct-access] SCSI_DA_READ_10 |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 100 Percent at : 500.0 MB/s |
| Score weight : 110.0% |
| Loopsize (bytes) : 16777216 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Blocksize MB/sec |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 512 1.86 |
| 1024 3.47 |
| 2048 7.0 |
| 4096 6.49 |
| 8192 11.93 |
| 16384 21.20 |
| 32768 33.86 |
| 65536 46.93 |
| 131072 61.70 |
| 262144 65.67 |
| 524288 68.40 |
| 1048576 69.34 |
| 2097152 70.41 |
| 4194304 68.47 |
| 8388608 70.48 |
| |
| Minimum : 1.86 MB/s |
| Maximum : 70.48 MB/s |
| Average : 40.48 MB/s |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 8.90 Percent |
! !
·--------------------------------------------------------------------------·
| Seek on DEVICE [direct-access] SCSI_DA_SEEK_10 |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| 100 Percent at : 0.0 ms |
| Score weight : 150.0% |
| Loopsize : 100 |
| CPU Cache : YES |
| Multitasking : YES |
| |
| Method ms |
·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ·
| [+] Random Blocks 0.2 |
| [+] Random Tracks 0.2 |
| [+] Random Cylinders 0.3 |
| [+] Block 2 Block 0.2 |
| [+] Track 2 Track 0.2 |
| [+] Cylinder 2 Cylinder 0.3 |
| [+] First <-> Last 0.1 |
| |
| Average Random-Access: 0.3 ms |
| Average Sequential-Access : 0.2 ms |
| Total Average Access: 0.2 ms |
| |
| AmigaMARKS : 100.0 Percent |
! !
· ·
¡ ¡
| |
| T O T A L - D R V - A m i g a M A R K S : 33.52 Percent |
! !
·==========================================================================·


[ Edited by SoundSquare 28.10.2012 - 11:13 ]

Thanks a lot SoundSquare!!
Now we have real confirmation that the OWC is actually faster than the Kingspec! The only strange data is the seek time that seems better for the Kingspec.

Miky060,
Quote:

Nice, you still don´t get it.

Once you plug in a recent SSD into one of our systems, you hit the hardware limit very hard. Any not total braindead SSDs can read/write more than 400MB/s.. Even the best and fastes SSD cannot read/write faster than the computer it is used in.

So all your test is confirming is the minis IDE speed, when using MorphOS.

If you want to compare some data, then compare the "seek on a device section" with a real harddrive. Thats where the speed comes from.

Geit

i have to agree with Geit. The only relevant comparison about SSDs in our systems would be the reliability of the drive in time in my opinion, OWC seems to provide much higher quality SSDs than Kingspec according to various feedbacks from users and chip used.

Just purchase two 1106 Powerbook that someone took a drill to (going through the trackpards and destroying the hard drives).
Seriously lazy way to deal with security issues,

I'd like to get an SSD, but don't want to shell out the $ for something like the OWC products.

I have a friend in USA that can buy for me from OWC site and he will be back in Italy next week... I wanted to buy the Legacy Pro (44pin IDE) but it's not available in this moment! Aargh! Do you think that this other combo can work?

1,8" OWC Aura Pro SSD
1,8" SATA -> 2,5" IDE adapter

Looking at demonstrations of SSDs in a G4 Powerbook I'm not impressed.
It would bw cheaper (and almost as fast) to switch to a 7200 rpm drive.

Err? What demonstrations? Most of them are using a fresh installation, which means no HDD fragmentation at all. Cloning an existing old system to an SSD would give proper result, as SSDs do not fragment and have practically no seek times, while harddrives need to search blocks machanically, which takes ages.

Also keep in mind that OSX is a bloated OS, too. It writes to disk all the time. A fast SSD won´t change that. It will just speed up the process.

MorphOS for sure gets hell fast and recent SSDs are putting the internal IDE to its limit, so even a cheap SSD will boost the PB to its limit.

If i need to open my laptop for some reason it will get an SSD. I am using one in my Pegasos2 and it´s awesome.

Geit

[ Edited by geit 15.11.2012 - 23:43 ]

geit,
Quote:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Video/SSD/Performance_Test_Legacy

Not impressed?

The older and (refering to clocking) 1/3 slower system performs the benchmark more than 1.5 minutes faster just by adding an SSD.

As said in prior post. If they would have swapped the HD an SSD it would give the real information on the speed gain, as CPU load is for sure part of the result. The older powerbook may even have slower memory connection and still being older and lacking 500Mhz it beats by nearly 2 minutes, which is a huge difference.

Here I made a speed test, where my slow Peg2 1Ghz compiles the same ambient sources 5 (!!) minutes faster than my 1.5 Ghz Mac mini. And it is a fact that the mini is around twice as fast as the peg2.

Just remember an SSD just speeds up disk usage and not data processing. So it hardly depends on disk activity how much speed boost you feel. A compiler speeds up it complete task, while games or a browser will just launch faster, as they won´t need to load data constantly.

On MorphOS an SSD will increase boot time (you can get less a second after leaving OF) and speed up launching applications. So if you click something it will be instantly there, which is amazing and make the system feel like you inserted a faster CPU board. The applications itself of course won´t benefit from the SSD and they fully depend on CPU and RAM speed. (Compilers, Database and Search operations excluded)

On OSX on the other side the OS is constantly writing and reading data no matter what you do, but it will also always require much cpu load, so at the end the speed gain is not as big as expected. OSX Applications are much bigger, there is much memory to be carried around between disk and ram. So it will feel faster, but compared to MorphOS it will not result in such a big "wow" effect.

Geit

So what about the combo I proposed? Do you think "1,8" OWC Aura Pro SSD
+ 1,8" SATA -> 2,5" IDE adapter" will work? You can see them (links) in my previous post.