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No, afaik they are 2x G5 Processor with DUAL Core. I have never seen/heard about a G5 Processor with four Cores on one Die.

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"Dual" Macs (pre PCI Express) had two Processors with single cores. The newer ones with PCI Express only do have ONE Processor in them but two cores on this chip.

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Sorry i do not really understand, maybe you want a OSW with a single Processor and two cores? A "Dual" Configuration so to speak. But then we were talking Appels and Bananas :D

>>Dual G5 Macs are about 1299 Euro.

>Yes you are right with this!

Amazing.
Are talking eBay here?

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Maybe you and i learn how to quote properly, the "you are right" was meant for:

@ Donar

Quad G5 are not Dual G5.

Maybe i should have left out the price thingy. But your quote wasn' t proper either

Ok, let's not add to confusion but get this straight:

Xserve with 2x single core 970FX 2.3 GHz starts at 3119 EUR.
Power Mac with 1x dual core 970MP 2.0 GHz starts at 1999 EUR.

There is no dual G5 Mac for 1299 or 1599 EUR!

Well this is the way I see it...

No flames or trolls intended - just MHO - from the viewpoint of someone standing outside 'Morphos' land.

If these specs/pricepoints are adhered to (and with Genesi's previous track record I have no reason to doubt) the Linuxworld will be in the position where PPCLinux is synonumous with Genesi.

That's a pretty powerful position to be in.
As far as PPCLinux goes they would be a WorldClass Company.

Now we all know the history, but the position that stands today is that Genesi support MOS with 'best efforts' only. But they still support MOS.
Hell, they even support AROS.
As far as Amiga hardware manufacturers go (Even if Amiga is now secondary to them) they are the only game in town.

So the choice I see is this, where the MOSDevs swallow some pride and work with the situation as it is today or sail into obscurity with their pride intact.
Genesi are obviously going places now - they will leave with or without the MOS community.

In the words of Dirty Harry - "Do they feel lucky"?

Like I said - just an observation - no flaming or trolling intended.

Will the G5 be provided by IBM?
What about the dual core G4 they promised?
A CPU upgrade could be nice, but a G5 monster may be too much for the heat :p

What OS is available for the III ?

There was lot of announcement for QNX,BSD,solarsi, AROS ..... but you can only use linux and MorphOS.

MorphOS seems to dissappear slowly, so why should I buy a machine, where I can run Linux.. (and it's PPC linux, which is less stable than the 386 one...)

Computers are nothing without software, so please improve on this side first ..

bye

As some people is posting, I wouldn't have bought a peg if it was not by MorphOS, and I won't buy another if MOS is not there... and I think we are a few in this situation.

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I am interested in PPC hardware in general. I bought my Pegasos II for MorphOS thats true but this were different times then. MOS 1.5(AltiVec, TCP/IP Stack, GigE driver...) seemed to be like BurnIT right around the corner...and now two years later we have erm.. none of them. I really do not need a second computer for MOS and i don't need a faster computer for MOS if there are no applications except dnetc that will use it. The OSW has a good price point, if it runs OSX natively or through a fully working and fast emulation layer (3D/USB 2.0...) i'm in for a buy. If it also runs MOS - ok nice to have. But i see no clear path for MOS future... OK OSX has its future on Intel but i can buy all Applications i need now and not maybe sometimes when they are finished.

We think the point is choice. MorphOS will be eventually successful. Whether it would run in 32bit mode on this machine from the start is as much as a possibility as anything else at this point as far as MorphOS is concerned. We will be working with Ralph and Frank to understand what is possible. Don't forget the EFIKA! That story is not yet over.

R&B

@ Genesi

I use 6 Pegasos II professionnally and bought them only because of MorphOS! I would update/replace the Peg2 only if MorphOS runs on the Peg3...

EFIKA, well have MorphOS running on it and I would be gland to purchase one...

Regards

Christoph

if the "peg-III"/OSW would run morphos I would probably buy it (depending on some other factors in life ), but the EFIKA is IMHO not even considerable since it would be a downgrade in many ways to the peg-II.

if the peg-III would not run morphos then I would only buy it if morphos is declared dead (at least for desktop use) by the morphos-team (to run linux on it... and perhaps OS4 )

with regard to running morphos as 32-bit on OSW/"Peg-III"... is there really any other choice? if you consider that making morphos 64-bit would require a complete rewrite, possibly making it incompatible (at least partially) with current morphos programs... perhaps making qbox 64-bit and keeping abox 32-bit... or something similar.

and morphos needs so much more stuff before complicating matters by transfering it to 64-bit (or even 128-bit )...
qbox,
more current gfx drivers (at least for r3xx series radeon),
virtual memory (qbox related),
memory protection (qbox related) etc. etc. etc.

Pegasos3 is a great idee but the hardware is not available yet and ti's not granted to be stable at first time (think pegasos1) Morphos Team and users were used to beta test the machine, which in fact was for linux users, morphos support was stopped since the mos market was just stopping to growth an some members of the morphos team were just SACKED ! so on this context it's difficult for the morphos team to do something in the way of genesi wants.
Many dev even not all dev are working on there spent time just for us, so there position is certainly to wait the hardware to be bugfixed or simply available.
Since they have tested the mother board to be safe it will be possible to pretend for a morphos release on this machine.

excuse me for my bad english





[ Edited by acepeg on 2006/5/2 11:35 ]

[ Edited by acepeg on 2006/5/2 11:37 ]

>Will the G5 be provided by IBM?

Only IBM makes G5.

>What about the dual core G4 they promised?

Not there yet.

>A CPU upgrade could be nice, but a G5 monster may be too much for the heat :p

G5 can have Advanced Power management capabilities. (Google translation)

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I don't forget it... and hope it doesn't forget MorphOS ;).

I can be wrong but I'm quite sure that you underestime the Pegasos III performance by 100%.

The G5 chips used in the OSW will most likely be 2.5 GHz each.
In other words 4 Cores each 2.5 GHZ.

Cheers

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Yes, 2x 970MP chips @ 2.5GHz, 5GHz in "total frequency".

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That adds up to a total of 5GHz? How could that be?

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That's the point i wanted to make clear at page 1 of this thread post 12 and 17...useless. BBRV can you give us a statement?

I also wonder why there is no Firewire...ok it costs license and the OSW as the name intends is not for Home/Desktop use where at least 1 x Firewire for a DV Cam would be really necessary. Using a PCI card for this is possible but i don't like the idea of occupying one of the PCI slots for a standard interface...

Donar,

This upadding of the frequenzy is somewhat odd and confusing anyway, especially when you have multiple CPUs with multibple cores.
I think the OSW is clearer described as having 4 cores of each 2.5 Ghz.

As you have said yourself firewire is clearly a desktop feature and
the OSW is clearly a server machine. The majority of OSW buyers will not use or need firewire anyway. IMHO it makes good sense to not add things like this to the board. Those few people who need firewire or a second and third GFXCard or a Studio grade HIFI-SoundCard, or TV-out/TV-in or a MultiIO-card .... can add what feature they need by using a PCI card.

Cheers
Gunnar

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Wisely spoken.
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And then all Slots are full and you have a spare card...The Problem is that i don't like USB and have to nit pick everywhere i see it. Anyway, Firewire was just a suggestion-if it costs not much better integrate it, so i can use my external Firewire Drives.

Cheers