Andreas_Wolf

I define "soon" as "sometime this year". Why do you ask?

I bought a G5 with X800 to eventually run MorphOS. Even if it takes until next year, I can use OSX on it for now. If MorphOS never runs on G5, then too bad. You might want to be running a pathetic G4 in 2013, but I certainly don't.

Tcheko,
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15bits fine for what I plan on doing. My aim was to do some basic recording and use these clips within Hollywood based learning presentations I create. So good enough for me.

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On a tangent subject. I would absolutely love a G5 machine or a nice 15" Powerbook. But I will not wait. I need to get running soon. If Powerbook support comes out, I will buy one and get another MorphOS license. Last I heard, there were still some issues to be sorted out for Powerbooks. These developers will get it figured out I'm sure. No complaints from me on this. I'll just wait like everyone else.

[ Edited by Rodomoc 27.04.2011 - 14:39 ]

> I define "soon" as "sometime this year".

Interesting. So this makes your statement this: "something which will sometime this year be replaced by something much better". You really believe that MorphOS for G5 Macs will come this year?

> Why do you ask?

Because I wanted to know when you expect MorphOS for G5 Macs to come.

> Even if it takes until next year

So much for "sometime this year" ;-)

> I can use OSX on it for now. [...] You might want to be
> running a pathetic G4 in 2013

First and foremost, I want to run MorphOS. If it's not available for G5 but only for "pathetic" G4 then I'll continue to run it on "pathetic" G4, simple.

So, MorphOS developers are working hard on a G5 version (as seen in videos and screenshots) and yet people here keep saying it's unlikely that MorphOS will ever be available for G5. Wow. Do you people really have so little faith in the MorphOS developers? You automatically think they'll fail?

I think they'll succeed. My G5 is waiting.

Not finding much on users of MorphOS + Envy 24HT audio cards. So SB Live it is and without expense. This card served me well in the past where I used it in a PC environment with Cakewalk Sonar, and a variety of Native Instruments software. And it looks like ProAudioStation has quite decent post production editing abilities. I am waiting to hear back from them with a quote.

> people here keep saying it's unlikely that MorphOS
> will ever be available for G5.

I think you're making things up now. What people are saying here (including me) is that a release for G5 Macs *sometime this year* (i.e. 8 months remaining) seems unlikely. That's why you were asked to specify what you meant by "soon" before. So please, stop making false claims about the "people here".

OK, so a bit of a discussion going on here about G5. That's fine. I myself am confident that this and the powerbook will serve MorphOS one day. The developers are plenty smart and capable. What I like about them is that they seem to delay a release if necessary in order to properly do something to a high quality level. Which for me is paramount. So for my official plunge into registered MorphOS land, my situation is different. I need to get running soon. I already waited a little long to get my software project started. And for the specialized things I will be doing, an MDD machine will work just fine. So even if G5 support comes out the day after I register to the MDD machine, I won't lose too much sleep because my needs are still met. It would just mean if I wanted a G5, I would have to sell the garage full of 68K stuff in order to get another Morph machine. That's all. The 68K stuff needs a more useful home anyway :) It is the 15" powerbook I wait for....

@ME

I purchased a similar video card, but put it away (after taping pin 3 and 11 and testing it in a G4). I've moved back to my 9100.
A fast G4 is entirely adequate for MorphOS.
Andreas isn't kidding when he mentions that this year is very unlikely.
We'll be lucky to see Powerbook support (and I can switch over to a Radeon9700/9800).
By next year the price of G5 Macs is likely to be lower, so you've just cost yourself more then necessary.

[ Edited by Jim 27.04.2011 - 21:11 ]

@ME

While I have unwavering faith in MOS devs, we must be realistic: It could be until 2014 that they are supported, or even later. A g4 is definitely not pathetic, and you are being a troll and a prick for attempting to pick a fight.

Andreas and Tcheko are not at all doubting the team, but be realistic yet again, you have no right to call any machine pathetic.

If anybody's being a "troll and prick" it's you and Andreas_Wolf. Read what I wrote again. I was logical and non-hostile - and I got hostile responses in return.

You seem to be fixated on my "pathetic G4 in 2013" comment. Let me clarify - the G4, by 2013 will be pathetic in comparison to whatever is available in 2013. It will probably not have the ability to run whatever new bloatware crap people will have added to web pages by that time. It also will be a minimum of 10 years old. How long can it last?

I am certainly not saying the G4 was a pathetic computer to port MorphOS to. It's brilliant that MorphOS runs on G4 - but in a few years it will be as ancient as an Amiga 500 was in 2000 (still fun and mildly useful, but severely limited in what it can do). It will seem pathetic and ancient. A G5 would probably have the CPU power to remain useful for a few years more.

Now how is that "trying to pick a fight"?

This forum is about as friendly as a Linux support forum.

My Quad G5 @ 2.5Ghz will be pathetic in 2013 too.. The last lot of Opera, Flash, Fire Fox* all require an Intel processor and this will only get worse when Lion comes out.

Anyway, I've tried a unregistered mac dual 433 (or was it 533? Who cares?) and it was incredible faster than the rather memory limited Efika.

*I know there's a port that works, but it crashes the last time I tried it, and and it's only Firefox, the Harlem Globetrotters of the browser world..

> If anybody's being a "troll and prick" it's you and Andreas_Wolf.

Thanks. I hope you don't mind that I'm with Dreamcast270mhz here.

> I was logical

No, you weren't. People here say they find a 2011 release of MorphOS for G5 Macs unlikely, which you turn into some crap claiming "people here keep saying it's unlikely that MorphOS will ever be available for G5". Do you really find that logical?

> I got hostile responses in return.

Deservedly I'd say, at least partly.

> the G4, by 2013 [...] will be a minimum of 10 years old.

That would depend on the specific G4 variant. The MPC7447A/B in my Mac mini will be less than 10 years old by 2013.

> in a few years it will be as ancient as an Amiga 500 was in 2000

That would be 2018 for my Mac mini. I'm pretty sure we'll have G5 Mac support by then.

@ME
>This forum is about as friendly as a Linux support forum.
not really, we seem to be helping Rodomoc, just that you're new here, and stirring up expectations...
Since non of the developers have commented yet, we'll just wait and see. right now my mini runs everything barring the mkv videos which i
download. Personally, I'd like to see a port to a new, not newer setup. Lastly, Andreas didn't label you, but like I said, judging from your number of posts,
you are new, and may not necessarily know these matters develop here. It sounds like you are not even running a morph os setup.
sincerely,


xyphoid

> mac dual 433 (or was it 533? Who cares?)

Not that I'd really care, but I think it was 533 ;-)

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7703&forum=3&start=13

> I know there's a port that works, but it crashes the last time I tried it

There're several projects compiling FF4 for PowerPC MacOSX, the most notable one being TenFourFox due to its JavaScript JIT. It works superb on my Mac mini G4.

Crashes like anything on mine..

Anyway...

Due to some eBay, incidents I've got hold of a Dual 1.42 Mac with 2 GB of memory and ATI Radeon 9000 Pro graphics card, when I try to boot from the CD burnt on the same cd drive as I'm booting from (2 different CD-rw both verified) it starts from CD, shows the white screen telling the CPU information, then it just stops,

quarrk.Open Firmware
Console Active
System <powermac 3,6> rev <>
CPU 0 <PPC7455 blah blah..

Any ideas why?



[ Edited by stephen_robinson 28.04.2011 - 19:43 ]

^^ Panic over!

Replaced the CD drive and working perfect!

Now to get the money for the MorphOS licence..

BTW it's only a minor exaggeration to say that the Powermac after the 30 minute timeout feels like the registered Efika version...[

naa it will slow down even more eventually

I wouldn't call your "exagerration" a minimal one. I have both registered Efika (same as yours) and registered Mac Mini (prob'ly faster than your PM). Efika is few times slower, but still usable. When running in "expired demo" mode - both become unusable, period.

I think I tried to put a Smilely at the end of the post, but I obviously failed.

Anyway, the point is, Going from an Efika to a Powermac, in fact given my limited experince with a 533 one, Any powermac is a worthwhile upgrade.

stephen_robinson,
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To answer my own question, yes!


But when you plug in a stereo using the connector on the back it still uses only the internal speaker, and ideas why?

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As seen here :)

@ ME
I think most ppl here are confident G5 support will come. But most ppl here are guessing it will take some time until ready for release. Plus, the MorphOS team always emphasizes not to buy hardware for MorphOS unless officially listed as supported. G5 support is still tagged as "proof of concept" or "experimental". Probably G5 support will come but it'll take time still.
About the G4: Yes, they are old and rather outdated generally, but the old lady still sings. In contrast to an A500 a G4 at well above 1 GHz can provide a nice every day usage experience. My G4/1500 gives me HD video playback, a good web experience (including rich content stuff as youtube or such) and I guess this will still be the case in a few years time. It is no powerhorse compared to current x86, but pretty useable. At least it should have more raw power than many current tablets and as much a netbook. These are no power horses as well, but they are *current* i.e. web content provider and such cater for devices of that power league (to which the old g4s belong, too).

But I think we all will welcome the G5 support once it comes. But until it eventually will come we *today* have lots of fun with our G4s or G3s or even 603es.
Waiting is void and boring, but action is great!