SSID hidden not allowed?
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    I see no box to type in my hidden SSID.
    There is no need for the neighbors to know my SSID.
    I do not need the fat slob eating doughnuts all day long next door wanting to find out how fun it can be to crack someones encryption.
    :-(
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    geit
    Posts: 1053 from 2004/9/23
    bash64,
    Quote:

    I do not need the fat slob eating doughnuts all day long next door wanting to find out how fun it can be to crack someones encryption.


    Quote from jaca:

    There are no plans to handle a hidden SSID scenario.

    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28653/debunking-myths-is-hiding-your-wireless-ssid-really-more-secure/

    So just read it and just make your password save.



    [ Edited by geit 05.06.2013 - 23:55 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12200 from 2003/5/22
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    > I see no box to type in my hidden SSID.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9235&forum=11&start=42

    Edit: geit beat me to it :-)

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 05.06.2013 - 23:55 ]
  • »05.06.13 - 21:54
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    Well, you sure know how to ruin a party.
    I have my entire setup and all of my friends setups set for hidden SSID.
    Its a big deal to change that.
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    Krashan
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    @bash64:

    But do you know that every "fat slob eating doughnuts all day long next door" equipped with publicly available, easy to use tools will know your SSID in 30 seconds? You are just boosting his ego that way and encourage to go further. WPA-2 with strong password is all what is needed to waste his computer power for endless yet fruitless cracking. WPA-2 passphrase can have 64 characters. Put it into good use.
  • »06.06.13 - 04:15
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3121 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    bash64 wrote:
    Well, you sure know how to ruin a party.
    I have my entire setup and all of my friends setups set for hidden SSID.
    Its a big deal to change that.



    Feel free to read up on wpa_supplicant commands here http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/devel/ctrl_iface_page.html . You can force the card to associate with a given AP by writing a shell script. Something along these lines could work (untested, no MorphOS machine nearby atm)

    Code:
    rxcmd WLANMNGR "REMOVE_NETWORK 0"
    rxmcd WLANMNGR "ADD_NETWORK"
    rxcmd WLANMNGR "SELECT_NETWORK 0"
    rxcmd WLANMNGR "SET_NETWORK 0 ssid myhiddenssid"
    rxcmd WLANMNGR "SET_NETWORK 0 psk myobviouslytooshortpassword"
    rxcmd WLANMNGR "REASSOCIATE"
    wait 30
    netconfig autoconfig


    that will *probably* work when you run this at the end of the network-startup.

    [ Edited by jacadcaps 06.06.2013 - 11:23 ]
  • »06.06.13 - 08:33
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    ncafferkey
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    If MorphOS still uses the original wpa_supplicant config file format ("Wireless.prefs" file?), adding this line inside your "network={}" block should allow connection to a hidden SSID:

    scan_ssid=1

    It will likely be clobbered the next time you change network preferences through the GUI however.
  • »06.06.13 - 14:34
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    This works, problem solved. Thanks a lot.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    I will test.
    An no, I'd like to know how he will get the SSID.
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    CISC
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    @bash64,
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    An no, I'd like to know how he will get the SSID.


    Simply monitor the wireless traffic and pick up a packet going to that AP, it just takes a second using the right tool: http://www.ehow.com/how_12022391_hidden-ssid-backtrack.html

    ..afterwards the above mentioned boot cd supplies you with plenty of tools to crack your lousy password as well... ;)


    - CISC
  • »07.06.13 - 05:07
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    ok, tell me how you feel about mac filtering.
    What about wpa2-personal?
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1378 from 2003/2/15
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    Quote:

    bash64 wrote:
    ok, tell me how you feel about mac filtering.


    MAC filtering is more or less pointless. Read this:
    http://www.maxi-pedia.com/how+to+break+MAC+filtering

    Quote:


    What about wpa2-personal?



    That is fine as long as the password is long.

    You might want to try to combine lowercase letters, uppercase letters, numbers, and special characters.
  • »08.06.13 - 06:46
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3121 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    ncafferkey wrote:
    It will likely be clobbered the next time you change network preferences through the GUI however.


    Actually, it won't. The prefs never write the config file themselves.
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    ASiegel,
    Quote:

    You might want to try to combine lowercase letters, uppercase letters, numbers, and special characters.


    Is using transliterated sentances from RTL languages mixed with Roman characters and numbers a good practice?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    ok,

    I tried teh rxcmd stuff and I am getting:

    Couldn't find port 'WLANMNGR'.
    rxcmd failed returncode 10


    Should that be changed to somethng else?
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3121 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    Should that be changed to somethng else?



    That might mean you have to run wirelessmanager first.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    I am missing the wirelessmanager binary on my system.
    That came with mos 3.2 patch, did it not?
    :-(
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    Found it in mossys:net/wirelessmanager.
    Says failed to initialize when I run it with no options.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    ok, I did not have wl0 checkmarked.
    I marked it and rebooted and now I get an OK from the script.
    But I get no internet from the hidden ssid.
    one of the rxcmds comes back with:
    rxcmd: Unknown command
    rxcmd failed returncode 10
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    ok,
    I ran the rxcmds one at a time.
    The ADD_NETWORK command is the one that is being rejected.
    However, I never get an IP.
    So the script works except for the ADD_NETWORK part.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    I went ahead and unhid the ssid for now to make sure everything is setup on the router roccectly and it is working fine.
    removed the first two lines of the script and the errors went away but still not ip.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 3121 from 2003/3/5
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    Quote:

    bash64 wrote:
    I went ahead and unhid the ssid for now to make sure everything is setup on the router roccectly and it is working fine.



    So keep it like that :) ADD_NETWORK shouldn't fail for sure unless there's some typo.
  • »09.07.13 - 14:27
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    sorry,
    prefer hidden ssid and any other quirky stuff regardless if some hacker somewhere can get by it.
    there is such a thing as a 'curious george' who is nosy but doesn't know a thing about hacking.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    bash64
    Posts: 958 from 2010/10/28
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    I did the rxcmd for ADD_NETWORK from the shell.
    there was no typo.
    it fails.
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