Hello!

Please help if anyone can

(Sorry for the bad English
I use Google Translate)

I have a G5 power Mac and I want to install Morphos on it
unfortunately the current video card in the machine is an nVidia 6600 and I want to change to a Radeon card but I don't know what card to buy?
found several video cards on Ebay, but unfortunately the MorphOS compatibility list says that all of them do not support Warp 3D! I would like to play older Amiga games that use Warp3D! If I buy a video card that does not support Warp3D, will I not be able to run Warp3D games?

Thank you in advance for your help.

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You say you've got nVidia 6600 installed, so your computer is a PCIe Power Mac G5. In that case Radeon X1950 is your best bet for MorphOS IMO.

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I wonder what specific "older Amiga Warp3D games" you mean, but short answer is - on the card I'm reccomending to you there's no way the hardware 3D acceleration would work for Warp3D titles right now.

Your options are:

1. Use "software acceleration" aka Wazp3D (works okay-ish)
2. Wait for the promised Warp3D wrapper for newer gfx cards (any time now... :)
3. Check if there's no "native" version of the games you've got on your mind

I believe there's no fourth option (Was there any PCIe Radeon 9200 or lower? I don't think so. Would a hypothetical PCIe->AGP or PCIe->PCI adapter even work? No idea).

Thanks for the quick reply!

I have some full cd amiga games
They're not all warp3d but I'd like to play them all again
Wasted dreams
Heretic 1,2
Virtual Ball figthers
Payback
Vipeout 2075
Shogo
Nightlong
etc.
I don't know how true it is that if I put a PC video card in the MacProG5 it should work under MorphOS
except for the boot screen


[ Edited by Krisz 01.04.2025 - 11:43 ]

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For these ones you'd need a Warp3D replacement (at least for now). I know that Wipeout2075 works OK with Wazp3D and Shogo should work too (after some tweaks). Not sure about the others, but I see no reason they shouldn't work too.

As for Wipeout - the "non-2075" (the first part of series) works on MorphOS without any need for Warp3D. You can find the port here.

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A PC graphics card should work OK, but would not show anything until MorphOS kernel starts (so no Apple boot menu and no Open Firmware). You can bypass this somehow if you leave the nVidia in one of the other PCIe slots (Radeon goes to the x16 slot "at the bottom"). In that case when you need Open Firmware you just plug the monitor cable to nVidia and you're ready to go.

Thanks for the help!

Actually I only found one pci-e card, an ATI RADEON X1300PRO 256MB!
Then I should buy it quickly before someone else doesI
think the x 1950 is a stronger card but I don't think there will be any problems with this either
I don't really need a boot screen because I will only be installing MorphOS on the machine and there will be no other system on it that would require a boot screen

> 1. Use "software acceleration" aka Wazp3D (works okay-ish)

Doesn't Wazp3D support hardware rendering via TinyGL (#12)?

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Thanks!

When the video card arrives I'll try Wazp3D


I have a Pegasos2 machine but unfortunately I haven't been able to use it for 10 years because it's broken, it doesn't respond to pressing the power button
and I loved that machine and it was too expensive to just gather dust now. Unfortunately I can't find anyone who can fix it

If you want Warp3D now and in HW a Powermac G4 with Radeon9000 is the best option.

For everything else a G5 PCIe with a PC Radeon is the way to go.
Look at the long list, look at what is supported with the current TinyGL beta and what is supposed to be supported later on.

I would go for something RadeonHDxxxx with atleast 1 moden port (HDMI DisplayPort).

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Thanks!

I have a G4 Power Mac but it's so slow! Could it be faulty?
I've used my G5 a lot in the past and I know it's fast.

I would rather install the system on G5
HD cards are only supported in 2D applications by MorphOS, right?
Or is Wazp3D also possible with HD cards?
I used to have a power Amiga with a Mediator card and I didn't have these problems with it. I already regret selling it :( It would be worth a fortune now and I wouldn't even think of parting with it now.

Slow is relative as G4s go from 0.45 to 1.8GHz and even some ultrarare 2.0.

For GFX anything that isn’t a 9000 will be slow for sure.

The new TinyGL does/should provide 3D support for all these cards, just no legacy W3D. Latest beta also omitted t3D for R600 but that should be fixed in 2 more weeks…..

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I found RADEON HD7570 1 GB for sale
So can I use MorphOS with this card?
The problem with it is that it is a low profile card but I will solve that

Anyway, my Mac is a 1.75 GHZ G4
And yes, the video card is also a 7xxx series

So would I be better off with this HD 7570 card than with the Radeon X 1300Pro?
Maybe there's also a RADEON HD4350 512MB and it has an HDMI port too! And normal profile
Which of the 3 cards should I choose?

[ Edited by Krisz 01.04.2025 - 14:19 ]

> HD cards are only supported in 2D applications by MorphOS, right?

Yes. There was a TinyGL beta version with 3D support for TeraScale2 GPUs (R8xx/R9xx minus RV970), but an update removed this support. It's supposed to return, together with TeraScale1 (R6xx/R7xx) support, though.

> Or is Wazp3D also possible with HD cards?

In software rendering mode, yes.

> G4s go from 0.45 [...] GHz

From 0.35 GHz even.

> For GFX anything that isn’t a 9000 will be slow for sure.

...except if it's an 8500 (LE).

>> HD cards are only supported in 2D applications by MorphOS, right?

> The new TinyGL does/should provide 3D support for all these cards

...except Radeon HD cards with TeraScale3 (HD69xx) or GCN1/GCN2 (HD77xx-HD79xx, HD85xx-HD89xx) GPU, which are not even supported in 2D (at least officially (#32)).

> I found RADEON HD7570 1 GB for sale
> So can I use MorphOS with this card?

Yes, but 2D-only and no overlay for now.

> would I be better off with this HD 7570 card than with the Radeon X 1300Pro?
> Maybe there's also a RADEON HD4350 512MB and it has an HDMI port too! [...]
> Which of the 3 cards should I choose?

The X1300 is 3D-supported right now, the Radeon HD cards somewhen in the future. The HD4350 is 2D-supported with hardware overlay, the HD7570 without.

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Thanks!

Then I'll buy the radeon x1300pro for now and later if there is support I'll replace it with an HD card

This Card here works with PowerMac 11.2 PCI-E Modells:

Sapphire x1950pro PC-Version with 256mb VRAM PCI-E

https://tpucdn.com/gpu-specs/images/c/969-front.small.jpg

[ Editiert durch Lord76 03.04.2025 - 15:24 ]

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Thanks!

A Radeon x1300Pro card is on its way
It will be good for now and I will buy a more powerful card later

But only under MorphOS, have this in X16 Slot and in the upper Slot Nvidia 6600 , Network works with TP-Link TG-3468 PCI-E Card

[ Editiert durch Lord76 03.04.2025 - 15:39 ]

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Thanks for the advice!
I use the internet with the Power Mac's factory built-in adapter!
works flawlessly.
I would rather have a Wifi/Bluetooth card that is compatible with the G5 P.M and is also supported by MorphOS

I only set up the G5 today and just quickly checked if the network and GPU were working. I've had it for a while, but I haven't had time to test anything because I was missing the GPU and network card until today

Oh, and you also need the power adapter for the graphics card, which fits onto the logic board:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/234679325502

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Then have fun with the G5 :)

My Mac Pro has been sitting in the attic for years
I just cleaned it up and I want to use it with MorphOS so I can play old Amiga games when I have time
I tried it with a G4 Power Mac before, but it was really slow! There were some 2DS games that ran sluggishly on it. :D
I hope I won't have such problems with the g5. Later, if there is 3D support for HD cards on MorphOS, I will buy a video card that also has an HDMI connection.
HD video cards require an additional power supply, which I don't know yet, how where will I get it from on the G-5 motherboard?
If I remember correctly, the G5 Power Mac motherboard does not have a connector for the additional power supply for the video card.
Maybe I'll run the wires from the power supply to the 6-pin connector.

[ Edited by Krisz 03.04.2025 - 15:23 ]

Not correct, it has a 6-pin connector on the logic board if you have a PowerMac 11.2 PCI-E.

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Yes, it's an 11.2 machine
but where do I find the connector?
I'll check the motherboard!

Between the fan with the built-in speaker and the PCI card holder, below the DVD-ROM.

[ Editiert durch Lord76 03.04.2025 - 16:45 ]

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Thanks!
There is indeed a connector there but unfortunately I don't have a cable with such a connector
You can probably get it on Ebay