Great question mister Leo... I'm waiting an answer too.

I'm very disappointed by this stories, shame on Genesi...

An another question : Only frenchies haven't got their upgrades apparently.... why ?

@BattleMan

/me looks at his hands .... no baquette
/me checks his head ..... no stupid bask-cap
/me listens into his deeper him .... no urge to surrender

Nope, I just don't believe I'm french ......

/me has to get a bus and starts running

[ Edited by Kronos on 2004/8/23 18:50 ]

Leo, exactly what we said -- "when we are ready." The ODWs being *awarded* to developers were paid for by Freescale. BTW, didn't you get your board under the phreeboard program? If so, you are not eligible for the upgrade anyway.

And, breed, disappointed about what? That we are trying to create a market for the hardware and the operating systems that run on it? Disappointed because we have stood behind our products and engineers through the Articia disaster? What is it that you find so troubling? Please be specific.

For the last time: Our offer to upgrade the Pegasos I to the Pegasos II is at our discretion. We will lose money on every exchange. We will make this happen when we are ready and when we want to. What makes the situation interesting is our ability to provide more developers the original systems. For example, itix just received a Pegasos in this way.

Finally, do you really think that since one of us *is* French that we would have anything against "frenchies."

R&B

French waiting for this upgrade !
BBRV, please do somethink, don't make your Bill Gates !
This is silly, people want to buy and resellers can't shop !
Only Amiga make it possible !

@bbrv:

I'm disappointed to see good french coders leaving (or wanting to)
Pegasos/Mos coz they think they will never have the upgrade.
Some people bougth Peg1 lately thinking they will get a
Peg2 ASAP.

In fact i'm not in this case, i bougth a directly a Peg2.
But i know a lot of people waiting for upgrade. And
some will not be enough patient (maybe...).

:(

Regards, breed ;)

You people need to stop all of this, and stop it now! Genesi looses money on any of the upgrades they do. The systems being offered as ODW machines are not being given by Genesi! They are being given away by Freescale, also the PURCHASER of the machines. They can do what they want with these machines. You need to understand this. Genesi is working long and hard on getting the Pegasos name out and known. They are doing more then Amiga inc. ever did, much more then the current company holding to the A1 and AOS4 is doing. If you paid for a Pegasos 1, then at least you have one. Some people dont even have that much. Why not shop for a new board and sell your current one? I have seen two Pegasos 2 G3 machines on ebay in the last two months. NEW users got those the last selling as a COMPLETE system for just over $400. I'm sure you can get half that for your Pegasos I machine if you try. For those of you that want a machine now i say go to the various resellers and see what they have. GGS Data had a new shipment not to long ago.

In the end you need to stop being so damn greedy! The fact that Genesi even offers to do this in the first place is unheard of in any other company. When they can afford to make the offers they will just as BBRV has said.

Hi...

1. We too are sorry if good people are leaving, but a Pegasos I vs. a Pegasos II does not stop a good developer. There are plenty of Developers that still only have Betatesters or April 1/2 that are productive (and still appreciate they received their board(s) for free).

2. We originally offered the upgrade when we though the April patches would solve all the Articias problems - so *only* the CPU card was being swapped. They did not completely -- especially for the G4. Nevertheless, instead of just swapping out the CPU card, we then decided to *still* honor the upgrade offer, which we did for many people and swapped the entire system. Unfortunately, a number of people, including Resellers, took advantage of this generous gesture to cheat Genesi. For example, they purchased complete units at upgrade prices and sold them at full price or they purchased the upgrade online, but never had a Pegasos I. When we understood this was happening we stopped the offer until we could regulate the situation better.

3. In the meanwhile, we sold many systems to corporate customers and in fact could not satisfy this demand. We have nearly managed to organize our supply chain better, but this has taken time. We purchase components 13-16 weeks out -- before production. Can you see the dilemma? This can be especially problematic as some corporate customers pay only at 60 days after delivery.

We will make good on the upgrade offer when we are ready. Fortunately, there are many good developers working away on the platform and we hope this latest effort will further the opportunity for both developers and the users who benefit from their work.

What Vesalia did was very clever. They purchased complete G4 systems and then swapped out with Pegasos II G3 owners for the G4 CPU card only, got the G3 back and then sold the whole system to a new user. Good thinking!

R&B

[ Edited by bbrv on 2004/8/24 1:35 ]

Quote:
what corporations were these? besides freescale...

>What Vesalia did was very clever. They purchased complete G4 systems and then swapped out with Pegasos II G3 owners for the G4 CPU card only,
>got the G3 back and then sold the whole system to a new user. Good thinking!

As long as the G3 are marked as used...
So, do the CPU card and board have a serial number mismatch now or did they swap the stickers, too?

@ Tarbos,

Do you see G3 Pegasos computers listed for sale on Vesalia's site??
NO... nuff Said.

@ Poundsmack,

When Genesi is Ready to tell You who all of their customers have been
they will do it without offtopic posts from you me or anyone...
Remember all things come in good time...

@ Worried French(men/women)

Overall this whole thread sucks. Genesi have gone overboard to offer
boards for free in the first place, then to swap peg1 to
peg1 / april....Yet people continue to whine on public forums about a Voluntary Swap
deal that has already been explained. Please stop bringing it Up... I
am tired of seeing BBRV explain themselves for the Umpteenth time.
They have better things to do with their Time... and If you are really
a developer that got a Free board... So do YOU.

Well said, this should be the end of the talks.

I agree w/bbrv.. and if it is a phreeboard... tough luck.

BTW, anyone have a freeboard they are not using and feel like giving it away and I pay shipping? (its ok if its pre-april)

@Poundsmack

1000+ posts.. you need serious help, dude :D

ha! oh wow i didnt even notice......coooool

does it show my social life is completly non existant?

[ Edited by poundsmack on 2004/8/23 22:16 ]

@ lots of people

Leao talked about the general problem and not for himself
He perfectly knows his board can't be upgraded and that's not a problem for him... His post was only by solidarity.


In my case I've a little question :
I had a peg1 BT1 already upgraded with april2 and which is eligible for an upgrade to a peg2 G4..
I must admit I'm not interested in upgrading it this way, but I'd like to be upgraded to a peg2 with 750GX. (so a less expensive model) Will that be possible in the future.
I really think that as 750Gx is powerfull enough and really less expensive, everyone will win : less loss for genesi and a still cheaper upgrade for the customer.. Of course there is no AltiVec in this CPU... But I already have a peg2 G4

oh my god,

@Acill, katos1, TheMagicM:

oh please shut up, you don't know at all what we are talking about
here. It is not about phreeboard here, it is about Pegasos1 paid full
price. It was paid full price despite the fact it was defective. It
was paid full price despite the fact the Pegasos2 was coming and
Genesi said there was an upgrade program started, a program
relayed by local resellers!!!

And then Genesi cheated some resellers (i'm not talking about the
resellers who cheated Genesi here) by anouncing "Oh sorry, no
upgrade for you, only upgrade made directly on our website is valid".

Perhaps we should ask Thierry Velasco what he think about this (if
he's still alive)?

Do you really think most of us would have bought this, if no upgrade
was announced, instead of waiting some more 2/3 months?

And don't tell me that pegasos1 work like a charm, it isn't.
Oh yes with morphos it's a great piece of hardware, and i thank the
morphos team for the great job they have done here, but with linux, i
have heard enough of this "oh you can't do that" "oh you can't install
this", simply because i have the fantastics features of Articia (and
yes i'm talking about peg1+april2 here. Oh but Genesi doesn't care
about Morphos, only Linux is the best, too bad i can't use it!!!

If numerous people are blind enough to ignore what is happening with
some cheated customers, perhaps they should join another well known
blind community.

And perhaps Genesi should make business with Eyetech, they could do "great" things together.


[ Edited by thefab on 2004/8/24 9:18 ]

I agree with Acill. Stop complaining about not getting an upgrade program which has been cancelled for obvious reasons. Get a new Pegasos 2 and sell your old Pegasos to someone else. It's not too complicated right? It's what the rest of the world is used to doing and it will support Genesi which has brought us these great machines...

It's the best computer I've ever owned, and MorphOS is the best OS I've tried... and it sure flies on a G4

oh i'm very sorry for your inconvenience Black_Eagle, but we can't stop something we haven't started

hey are you millionnary???

just a thing, some people bought peg1 boards jsute before peg2 should become available because an upgrade was planned..

Concerning next paragraph, all prices include VAT.

so they paid IIRC 360 euros the peg1 and the upgrade should have cost 240 euros.... Total : 600 euros...

now a peg2G4 board cost 600 euros, too, so you have to sell your old mobo for 360 euros NOW to keep in your original budget..
BUT, yes because there's a BUT, now a peg1 board is sold around 100 euros... and lots of resellers only sell built system and not the mobo alone... (and it IS a good thing, our resellers have to LIVE, and NOT TO LEAVE !, yes it's less expensive to buy every piece of hardware on the net and only buy the mobo, but that doesn't make your reseller LIVE... ) So in France lots of people bought fully built system. So how much do you think these fully built system will be sold ?

OneVision doesn't manage to sell his peg1 April2 with Hard drive, CD drive, voodoo3 3000 AGP, tower, keyboard, mouse and 256MB ECC RAM for 450 euros.... So NO, peg1 don't sell easily and what people suggest can become very expensive.

Moreover, I have to add a point : french reseller APS is not expensive I bought myself :
peg2G4 with 512MB DDR400
Voodoo3 3000 AGP
40Gb Maxtor harddrive
Plextor CD Drive
MicroATX case
UPS express delivery
all that for 904 euros (with VAT of course )

So if you prefer keeping some bucks for your pocket instead of helping our resellers, don't try to convince people to lose money by buying a new machine and selling second hand the old one... you're telling nonsense !!!

BTW talking about Thierry VELASCO, a free peg2 G4 upgrade was promised to me for the help I gave to Genesi during last year BAPS.... no news since the close of Thendic-France...

[ Edited by FALCON1 on 2004/8/24 10:30 ]

@Kronos : First of all, my nick is BatteMan and not BattleMan...

@All : Buy a Pegasos II and sell my Pegasos I ? Ok, i'll do it if BBRV give me my 200 euros of the ASUM offer (yes, the offer for the french association... do you remember) and if this action will cost nothing for me. Is it possible ? I don't think.
I don't want anymore the 200 euros of the ASUM offer, I just want my upgrade for 200 euros, I'm fairplay, am I not ?
When I bought my Pegasos in November 2002, I received it in January 2003 with the April 1. I always have my April 1 board (no upgrade for April 2, but I don't ask for this). When I wanted to upgrade my Peg I G3 to G4, I read this wasn't possible anymore and an upgrade for Peg II will do the same thing for the same price, and now, I must wait and shut up...

The liar is not me, and I'm not millionary. I'm bored, fed up and everything you want. The first consumers are not the priority... So... Wait and shut up...

I don't like when somebody f..ks me twice... And it seems to be so ...

[ Edited by BatteMan on 2004/8/24 11:07 ]

You should be happy... I bought my Peg1 on november 2002 too, but unfortunately I have not upgrade. Then I have peg1 without April.... Now I'd like to exchange it for peg2 g4 but i can't do it :(

No i am not a millionare, I am just a normal everyday Pegasos II user. I had to sell my A3000 that was loaded with a CSPPC, Mediator, mirage, all the cards you could want, a CVPPC card, all for $800 to get my Pegasos II. I had that A3000 since it was first released in the US. I was robbed by the guy that i sold it to complete. I only sold it complete because of a song and dance he gave me about it being the dream Amiga he allways wanted. Then about a month later I had to sit and watch him part it out and ebay it all for 3 times the price. That pissed me off. Amiga user get his dream machine so I could get my new Pegasos. I know loss.

Think of all the PC and Mac user that spend all the money they do on a new system, PC users even more so. They see a new system come out as close as three months later much better, and some times for less then they paid for their system!

I still think you all need to just bite the bullet and sell off what you can and get a new system if you need it that bad. Genesi is afterall as business and not working just to save people money and help them out with free or next to free upgrades, You have to understand that. I still get sick thinking off the money I tossed away into that A3000 over they years, and then get only $800 in the end back.

@acill

You're right, but you didn't miss the point

some people wanted to buy pegasos machines, but there was the famous articia problem

so they wanted to wait for peg2 to be available.
Then genesi and resellers said : "buy a peg1 now for 300+VAT and then upgrade to peg2 G4 for 200 + VAT, it's the same price than buying a peg2 G4 (500+VAT) but you don't have to wait until it's available, you've something to play with immediatly."

But after that, very few upgrades were honoured...

I hope you understnand the difference...
I was in the same situation as you, and I really think it's different than the problem we're discussing..

Some people bought wrongly because of promises... that's the problem