Maybe someone can help me. I got an old DOS hdd (really old, 1991, a Quantum AT40) and want to copy its content to a safe place (its old scientific work from my dad on it). I hooked it up to the IDE of my Pegasos 1 (rightly jumpered) and can access it from firmwarelevel (ls command shows its content), but if I boot MorphOS (1.4.5 on that machine, CDRW drive seems to be broken over storage time, so no updates to try) the boot process stalls at Quark's console.
Tried to hook it up either as master or slave or two masters on different channels. No luck so far.There's noi other desktop machine in the house to play with (only mini, Efika, A600 and 4 laptops)
Anyone an idea how i can retrieve the data? Is the drive just too old (it's from the early IDE/ATA days).

You could try attaching the HDD to a USB-to-PATA adapter and access it via Poseidon. At least the MorphOS boot process shouldn't stall this way.

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You could even boot an A600 with a floppydisk including MSD95 (see http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/msd95/ or aminet) if your Quantum A40 use FAT filesystem.

Otherswise, toons of MorphOS friends could help you for your data transfert i presume. Pegasos2 is my main machine for those op'

bigdan
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Sure you can update MorphOS without a CD Drive.

Afterwards you will be able to read the disc quite easy and get a shiny new and even faster system.

However it is not needed to modify your system. You can install a virtual CD containing MorphOS 3.1 and boot it.

The tricky part is that 1.4.5 cannot mount ISO files, so you need the proper bootpeg1.img. You need some ISO mounter tool from aminet to access the file.

Following this little list will NOT destroy any information on your system.

1) Boot 1.4.5
2) Download MorphOS 3.1 ISO
3) extract the bootpeg1.img and copy it to your boot partition. Name it test.img
I can send you the file if needed.
4) copy the morphos iso to SYS: (not inside a drawer) and rename it to boot.iso (makes typing easier)
5) open a shell, as we need to know the SYS: device name (HD0:, DH0:). Just type info and get the information
6) reboot the system and press esc to get into open firmware
7) boot test.img bi dh0:boot.iso
(dh0 is the name we obtained above, test.img the bootpeg1.img and boot.iso the CD ISO file)
Now you should see a MorphOS 3 boot logo and a few seconds later MorphOS 3.1 appears on screen asking for language.

If you don´t want to update your system, you can close the welcome screen, connect your harddrive and copy your data.
Or you follow the instructions and update MorphOS. You just need to know that you may need to replace the boot.img on your boot partition with the one we extracted earlier, as MorphOS 3 cannot load from MorphOS 1 boot.img.

Also depending on you system instruction it may happen that step 7 fails. In such case type printenv and check for the name used behind "boot-device" and try that name as additional argument. e.g. if there is HD0,0 use

boot HD0,0 test.img bi dh0:boot.iso

After updating MorphOS you can double click iso files and extract the boot image file without any additional tools.

Geit

@ geit

Thanks for your 3.1 suggestion. Had a dualboot with 2.x and 1.4.5 on that machine years ago already. Now put 3..1 to a partitition (1:1 copy from my powerbook + peg1 boot.img). But it didn't helped me with my original problem though. 3.1 also refuses to boot further than the Quark console output.
Will get an ide2usb cable next days and try my luck with that.
Anyway, it was a good opportunity to update my old Peg1 to 3.1 albeit of little sense, since it's not actively used anymore (if I only had a usage for that machine).

And by the way: This Quantum Prodrive AT 40 is loud as hell! Dunno whether it became louder over the years, but wonder how my father could actually work sitting next to that sound source.

@ bigdan:

Thought of my A600 already, but I don't have the required cables (2,5" - 3,5") and would need an external powersupply (that drive draws 8W, too much for the 2.5" power lines), too. But If it doesn't work with the ide - usb cable I may try it nevertheless. Or visit a friend with a pc. But that wouldn't be as geeky.

Sounds there is no boot flag on the partition or the 1.4.5 boot.img is used to boot 2.x or 3.x.

Geit

Guss you misunderstood. MorphOS 3.1 boots of course fine on the Peg (as does 1.4.5). The boot stalls only when the old Quantum 40 MB hdd is attached (but both hdds are accessible from OF).

Hmm, you could try to enter the boot menu and disable the harddrive.

To do that, you can use the BM argument or press f1 or the left mouse button. The BM argument is the best solution, as using the other options is more complicated.

You should be able to mount it later on using mounter.

But the real problem may be that the OF drive numbering will change when connecting a harddrive, so your prior setup may no longer work. Since you have a multiboot system, I guess the boot device is hardcoded inside a script and when connecting the harddrive all those point on the DOS disk.

You should be able to check, as you mentioned you can access the DOS drive. Unless your MorphOS partition is not FFS you cannot list it, so it is harder to find. However you can use the ls command to list the partitions on a drive, which should give you a hint in finding the right one.

Geit

[ Edited by geit 06.03.2013 - 16:58 ]

> Unless your MorphOS partition is not FFS you cannot list it

;-)

geit,
No there's no boot script it's all typed in by hand (boot /pci/ide/disk@1,0:0 mos31.img BD qdh4 rd rds 4). And the problem isn't that the Peg doesn't find the MorphOS harddisk or the boot file. But if the old Quantum disk is hooked up, the Peg refuses to boot further than the boot.img. I may try the BM option though (cannot do b4 weekend, stuffed it away again).
The MorphOS disk is on one ide channel, while the Quantum is hooked to the other. If I try to hook them both up on one channel, the OF doesn't see both drives no matter how I jumper or cable the drives (I think I tried all combinations).

Zylesea : have you tried to connect only one hardisk (Quantum Prodrive AT40) and boot on cdrom (morphos) ?

I presume boot on usbstick like with Macmini doesn't work with Peg1 ;-(

[ Edited by _bigdan_ 08.03.2013 - 06:12 ]

Update:

I got an ide usb kit today. But still no luck (yet). The drive gets enumerated and then almost immediately lost. again to get enumerated again and lost again and so on... (Poseidon quits after some cycles, while on Windows you hear that stupid "ding-dong" in an endless loop.
Same behaviour with MorphOS and Windows.
Other, newer (albeit rather antique, too: I think the 2nd eldest HD here is a 3.6 GB quantum drive from1998 that worked many years in my A1200) harddisks work with that usb adapter.
I read that really old hatddisks have some probs with newer usb adapter kits. In 1991 (I think the particular disk is from that date) the ide specification war rather young and not all those ancient drives fulfill the ide standard of today.
Still a shame that it doesn't work with the Pegasos. It seems so close, since the firmware can access the disk. And, geit: OF can list more than only ffs, for example DOS. I can list the disk by firmware. I take that as evidence that the disk itself is still okay and got correctly set up by the Pegasos.

_bigdan_,
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I have no working ide CD drive anymore, the Pegasos dvd/cdrw is fully dead, another older cdrom doesn't open the lid/drive anymore. Efika has no cdrom, drives of Powerbook, Mini and ibook are not a viable option, too, as isn't the usb cdrom I have for my netbook.

edit: something's broken with this forum. Thread had disappeared from the index of the hardware subforum. With this new entry the thread is listed again...

[ Editiert durch Zylesea 23.03.2013 - 14:13 ]