> You can write everything on paper. Validity of what is written is another story.

I think he means the pure hardware specs (and there he is right), not what OS4 will make out of that.

1. We don't know how big part of this spec will be really installed on the mobo (for example X-MOS chip hasn't been mounted on hardware shown).

2. If we talk about "best Amiga ever", it is obvious that it is important, what will be supported by OS4. Ignoring operating system support is like saying that "Mac mini is better MorphOS machine than Pegasos, because Pegasos has no WiFi hardware"


[ Edited by Krashan on 2010/6/25 20:51 ]

> 1. We don't know how big part of this spec will be really installed on the mobo
> (for example X-MOS chip hasn't been mounted on hardware shown).

I didn't even take the XCore into the equation. And I bet the CPU, the RAM, the southbridge and the slots will be there. That's sufficient to render the statement true.

> 2. If we talk about "best Amiga ever", it is obvious that it is important, what will be
> supported by OS4.

He said "best hardware for Amiga", not "best Amiga", so he specifically referred to the hardware aspect.

@krashan

Look at the VCF 2010 photos you will see the xmos chip on the board. There were several boards there from what I could tell, and at least one of them had the chip.

It's hard to make out, and there are better photos out there, but the X1000 motherboard in the clear plexi-glass case had the XMOS chip.

http://www.amigaoneproductions.co.uk/vcf1.html

The board which was shown running had X-MOS chip soldered?

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 24.04.2011 - 07:08 ]

No. but if we were talking Quicksilver Powermacs, then the 7448 would be a possibility.

What I'd like to know is how a 1.5 Ghz Titan cored processor would compare to a 1.8 Ghz PA6T.

[ Edited by Jim on 2010/6/26 2:59 ]

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It would lose...

> It would lose...

Absolutely. And that's not even taking the AltiVec of the PA6T into account.

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ok, but an interesting question is :

Will Sonnet CPU cards be supported by MorphOS ?

I have never heard a MorphOS member talking about this.

[ Edited by sergius on 2010/6/26 20:24 ]

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I don't think the difference would be that significant. And the Titan core will be around long after the PA6T is a memory. Future Titanss should do 2.0 Ghz or higher. If a tiny company like A-eon can produce a motherboard, we should be able to gather the resources to build one too.

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Oh I think the difference would be huge, it's not the frequency difference only, I doubt the titan would be able to reach such memory bandwidth as the PA6T (link).

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It's not as easy as you think.

> an interesting question is : Will Sonnet CPU cards be supported by MorphOS ?

Indeed. I don't have an answer though.

> I don't think the difference would be that significant.

As the Titan core is supposedly an upclocked PPC450 core I don't think it would stand a chance performance-wise against a 1.8 GHz PA6T, even when clocked at 2.0 GHz.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=6268&start=71

> we should be able to gather the resources to build one too.

Depends on who is "we" I guess ;-)

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=6196&start=144

Either one of the OSes running on Quantum Computers.



[ Edited by discreetfx on 2010/6/27 1:03 ]

The supported eMac is AFAIK running at 1.25GHz, making it (together with the Mac Mini 1.25GHz model) the slowest of MorphOS supported Mac's.

You want to compare *the slowest existing* MorphOS Mac offer to some hardware that...

1. is not even here yet but still in a vapor state
2. is still unknown when it comes to real world performance and quality
3. at least *should* be the fastest hardware for OS4 if it ever gets released, but...
4. is unknown on how well OS4 really makes use of the features (i.e. driver support, optimizations, etc)

That is a rather peculiar request IMHO?

I think it would be interesting to see a new performance test like the Obligement comparison (the same tests could be conducted), but while the original Obligement test strictly compared the performance of the OS's (since it was conducted on the very same hardware), I think it would be interesting to see a comparison that includes *both* the HW performance of the available options, *and* what the OS's can make out of it. In other words, a real world test of what true performance and experience the end-user could expect by choosing between *available* options.

For example running the entire Obligement test on:
OS4.1.2 on Sam and Pegasos2.
MorphOS 2.5 on eMac 1.25GHz and Mac Mini 1.5GHz.

Then we would get a useful, real life test of the most popular options available.

But asking for comparisons of HW that's not even here yet, HW with unknown specs and performance, HW that none of the OS's in question really supports yet, well then we are moving into the twilight zone. And while in the twilight zone, why not compare the "X1000" to the PowerBook 1.67GHz or the fastest PowerMac G4? Or simply ask the question "Which will boot faster, be more stable, have better video playback (i.e. all your questions in the initial post) of the best HW that OS4 will support in the future and the best HW that MorphOS will support in the future?". Who knows, maybe that will even include x86 motherboards?

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 19.04.2011 - 08:22 ]

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An early prototype has been shown (without the most promoted component even present), that managed to boot up some kind of OS4 that actually didn't support much of the board at all IIRC. Taking it from there to a real, delivered end-user product is *the real* challenge, a business challenge, a financial long-haul. Especially for a new, small, upstart company that is asking for pre-payments. This is where many hardware projects fail, if you look at Amiga history. We have seen many HW projects with a maturity level similar to the "X1000" shown, that never reached end-users. You can't buy it now, and in my world it's quite uncertain if you will ever be able to. Heck, they haven't even revealed the specifications yet. So it's Vapor alright, and there is no way anyone can compare booting-time, stability, performance etc between Vapor HW and real, existing HW.

Quotes from the very nice Trevor Dickinson interview in Polski Portal Amigowy:

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Two questions, right after feeling very s*****d after reading that:

1.- What could MorphOS and bPlan do with such a pornographic amount of cash? Couldn't we already have a new MPC 8610/8641 computer, that instead of having an absurd price tag, would be actually marketable?

2.- Why do some people have friends with 200000 euro ready to spend in a quest for the unicorn? Is "the brand" the only thing that makes money flow like that? If so, please allow me to go nuts, plainly.

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WOOT!

>> "I have Apple, but with MorphOS installed"

> WOOT!

"Personally I like and use both OS4.0 and MorphOS."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21048&forum=17&start=40#335296 (10/2006)

"MorphOS installed on Pegasos II. I will have to wait until I return home to install it on the Efika."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26393&forum=28&start=60#446482 (07/2008)

"OWB is slowly becoming my Browser of choice on OS4 & MorphOS."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=28076&forum=28#479077 (02/2009)

"I already have a MacMini with MorphOS installed. I bought it some time ago to run AmigaOS4, when that was a possibility. I haven't got round to paying for a MorphOS license for the Mac Mini. For some reason even though MorphOS runs very well on the Mac Mini IMHO it does not feel like an "Amiga". I much prefer running AmigaOS4 on my A1-XE or MorphOS on my Pegasos II."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30159&forum=28&start=20#523393 (11/2009)


Edit: He has been a MorphZone member for more than 4.5 years.
https://morph.zone/userinfo.php?uid=1754

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2010/6/30 14:54 ]

So I guess that makes FOUR woots instead!

> So I guess that makes FOUR woots instead!

That's really just a small random selection. He has been filling amigaworld.net with pro-MorphOS statements for years.

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 19.04.2011 - 08:20 ]

I think Varisys is charging usual costs to a-eon. a-eon always streched the fact, that the X1000 is not some re-used board, but designed for them.
Alternatively it may well be that B.H. spent the rest of the money for booze, cars, chicks and buying friends.

[ Edited by Zylesea on 2010/6/29 3:01 ]

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 19.04.2011 - 08:21 ]