Best GFX CARD for MorphOS 2?
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    magnetic
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    Hello MorphOS devs

    Can you please tell us what will be the best gfx card we can use with Morphos 2.0 and Pegasos2? Thanks
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    How have you been? Thanks for the input, however I am aware of this. I'm speaking of the New R300 drivers in MOS 2. And actually 7500 is NOT the best atm for 1.4 its 8500/9100 afaik...
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    I think it would be great if the OS could allow the Efika with its meager 128 megs of RAM to divert gfx card RAM to system memory at the discretion of the user.



    No, it would not be great. Reads from vmem are terribly slow, which would hurt the overal system performance.

    The chip you can get the most from 2.0 is R200.
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    CISC
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    I said "at the discretion of the user." Do you want to stop the user from having freedom to do what he or she likes?


    When we are talking about something that would only mean allowing the user to do something monumentally stupid, yes (Such actions should only be left to hackers/developers... ;) ). Now could we please drop this subject once-and-for-all?

    ..in other news; the best all-round 2D/3D cards for MorphOS is 9000pro and 8500/9100 (followed by 7500) at the moment...


    - CISC

    [ Edited by CISC on 2008/5/5 7:27 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    When we are talking about something that would only mean allowing the user to do something monumentally stupid, yes (Such actions should only be left to hackers/developers... ;) ). Now could we please drop this subject once-and-for-all?

    How about the possibility to use USB memory cards in Efika's built-in USB1.1 port as extra RAM? I think someone came up with that idea aswell long ago :-D

    (Just pointing out that if you thought that was a stupid idea, think again)
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    the best all-round 2D/3D cards for MorphOS is 9000pro and 8500/9100 (followed by 7500) at the moment...


    I'd like to know why, as I have a Radeon 9250 with 128 MB RAM. It's a nice card, passively cooled and half height. Why are these other better? Are they much better?
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    @Jupp3:
    How about the possibility to use USB memory cards in Efika's built-in USB1.1 port as extra RAM? I think someone came up with that idea aswell long ago :-D

    (Just pointing out that if you thought that was a stupid idea, think again)


    Well, apart from it burning through the writecycles in no time it would atleast be faster than the aforementioned "option". :P

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    @jcmarcos:
    I'd like to know why, as I have a Radeon 9250 with 128 MB RAM. It's a nice card, passively cooled and half height. Why are these other better? Are they much better?


    That depends what you usually do, f.ex. afaik the 9000pro still has the fastest 2D-ops around, and all the cards I mentioned (apart from perhaps the 7500, dunno) support atleast 1920 pixel wide overlays (the 9250 does not), and the 3D-speed on all of them are quite decent (though the 9250 does quite ok if you don't get one of the ?ber-crippled (aka 64bit) ones)...


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    Rather than blindly trusting what we say, you can check f.ex. http://www.gpureview.com/ for comparison between various gfx card models.

    As for 9250, it might clearly lose to many earlier models in speed, but it's nice that it's passively cooled. In that sense it's obviously clearly better, but wouldn't really justify "a bigger number" just becouse of that, imho :-)
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    CISC wrote:

    the 9000pro still has the fastest 2D-ops around, and all the cards I mentioned (apart from perhaps the 7500, dunno) support atleast 1920 pixel wide overlays (the 9250 does not), and the 3D-speed on all of them are quite decent (though the 9250 does quite ok if you don't get one of the uber-crippled (aka 64bit) ones)...


    Thanks for the information, CISC.

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    apart from it burning through the writecycles in no time it would atleast be faster than the aforementioned "option".


    Really? Access to the graphics board RAM is slower than flash memory (ugh!) over a USB 1 port (eeek!)?

    I'm very intrigued at this...
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    Even with the reported r300 driver an r200 card is the best choice for mos 2.0??
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    @jcmarcos:
    Really? Access to the graphics board RAM is slower than flash memory (ugh!) over a USB 1 port (eeek!)?

    I'm very intrigued at this...


    Errr, strike that, got some wires crossed there, gfxmem would be slightly faster on most cards.

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    @magnetic:
    Even with the reported r300 driver an r200 card is the best choice for mos 2.0??


    There won't be R300 3D-support in 2.0 release.


    - CISC
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    There won't be R300 3D-support in 2.0 release.


    Pity... Why is that? I noticed that you are specific about 3D, perhaps there is support for 2D acceleration.

    I'm thinking in updating my "MorphOS 2.0 status" thread with this, and also add that it has been seen running on QEmu. I don't recall any further news since my last update.
    By the way, I think it would be good to put my status report in MorphOS' Wikipedia page, but perhaps there would be conflicts with style and formatting. Not that anyone would read it, though...
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    There won't be R300 3D-support in 2.0 release.


    - CISC


    As laire used to say all the time whats the point of 3d for users?

    8-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Velcro_SP wrote:
    I suspect people curious about MorphOS view the Wikipedia page more than any other page. If you put your M2 status list there it would probably conflict with Wikipedia rules for sourcing and so forth. Perhaps you could upload it somewhere and then link it as an "external link" from the Wikipedia page.


    I've just added a new "Status" section in MorphOS Wikipedia page, which basically contains a link to my MorphOS 2.0 status thread. Feel free to take a look at it and comment.
    I chose adding a section instead of a simple external link because this way it has more exposure.
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    Instead of using these long and not too clear threads, why dont you just collect the info, compile it to a very basic website (which of course should clearly marked as unofficial) and provide it at a dedicated address?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Zylesea wrote:
    Instead of using these long and not too clear threads, why dont you just collect the info, compile it to a very basic website (which of course should clearly marked as unofficial) and provide it at a dedicated address?


    You are very right. But I don't have any internet presence. I don't have a personal web site. And it's better to have presence in an established site like this, instead of opening yet another new and unknown one.

    If we only had a chance to have a single page in one of Genesi's sites, or even in the official MorphOS site...
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    > Pity... Why is that? I noticed that you are specific
    > about 3D, perhaps there is support for 2D acceleration.
    > I'm thinking in updating my "MorphOS 2.0 status" thread
    > with this

    It's been said several times already over the last months (also here on MZ), e.g. on January 19th by Henes:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5645&forum=11#54985
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5645&forum=11#54991
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