There were a lot of people who have bought 440 boards back on the first days of Samantha.

Now that MorphOS runs on Samantha 460 I am just wondering if a port on 440 boards could be done as well, on some point in the future of course...

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It could, but this is not necessary. AROS runs natively on SAM 440? This is sufficient.

I still prefer the next port to be the "Linux" PowerPC Notebook. This is currently in production? Which would be nice for MorphOS supporting the PowerPC desktop (SAM 460) still in production. And also it would be nice for MorphOS supporting a notebook still in production.

Furthermore, I desire the PowerPC Notebook to contain innovative and now common features such as wide screen and built in internal numeric keypad with the keyboard. I will make this request at the appropriate forum.

I request the improvements to Operating System be made. Numerous ones, even before ISA switch.

I believe my desire for which ISA(s) are known, but I only want to request with this forum post: to contain a support for (again) a innovative and now common features for more wide screen notebooks such as a built in internal numeric keypad with the keyboard.

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Not, it is most certainly not in production. The project is little more than an idea with a website at this stage. According to said website, they hope to start production before the end of 2015 but this obviously depends on whether they can successfully raise the necessary funding before then, which is going to be an uphill battle since we are talking about at least a six-figure sum.


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There is a lot of confusion about this. As has been explained in public, niche providers such as ACube and A-EON do not continously manufacture new mainboards. Instead, they finance a single manufacturing run and then wait until the produced units have been all sold (or are close to be sold out). Only if there is still demand for more which is often gauged via pre-ordering requests, another production run might then happen.

So, technically, when people see these type of mainboards in stock at retailers, they are "out of production" at this point and nobody can seriously guarantuee that there will be sufficient demand for another production run in the future. Small markets simply work a bit different in this regard.

> AROS runs natively on SAM 440? This is sufficient.

Funny one.

What is the point at this stage to port to SAM 440? The point of porting to SAM 460 is to give people new, currently selling hardware. SAM 440 had it's last production run a while ago and sold out. And it's also very much underpowered, even more so than the SAM 460.

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Short: to support more PPC boards. If that is still MOS focus.

In reality there are more SAM440 boards sold then SAM460 (probably because of X1000 appearance).

I assume, to support more PPC boards, to enable better low end system then efika (used sam440 are not so expensive and comparable in price to Mac systems, not in speed), as well as ... to provide softare upgrade (MorphOS path) to OS 4.1 users that cant afford x1000 but find sam460 underpowered

There are two good things about SAM440 - mentioned native AROS port, and it is up to date only fully supported mobo under OS 4.1.

It won't happen.

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Thanks Frank,
Stated clearly and succinctly.
Get it guys? No, as in, no.

In the US, the SAM460 board's current price is under $600.
I can actually get the 1 GHz board, with 2 gb of memory, shipped to me for less than $600.
And the 460 has a PCIe slot for modern graphic cards.

Do you really want a SAM440?

@vox

I don't get it. How is a native version of AROS an argument for a MorphOS port?

MorphOS is currently supporting 82 different pieces of hardware (and it will be 83 with the X5000 port). Why add the one almost no one will use? Just because?

>> What is the point at this stage to port to SAM 440?

> to provide softare upgrade (MorphOS path) to OS 4.1 users that cant afford x1000
> but find sam460 underpowered :-)

Why should someone who finds Sam460 underpowered use the even slower Sam440?

> MorphOS is currently supporting 82 different pieces of hardware

It's rather 83 different full systems, as there are two different AmigaOne 500 systems (Sam460ex-based and Sam460cr-based).

> and it will be 83 with the X5000 port

AmigaOne X5000 support will add 2 different full systems (X5000/20 and X5000/40). This would be 85 then.

I can not see the point in seperating the SAM460s purely because one is the cost reduced model.
What next? Do we start counting the 1.0 GHz variant seperately?

The point on the X5000 is much more valid.

> I can not see the point in seperating the SAM460s purely because one is the
> cost reduced model.

Cost reduction has been achieved by omitting on-board components for graphics, audio and SATA. This amounts to major technical differences in my opinion.

> What next? Do we start counting the 1.0 GHz variant seperately?

The 1.0 GHz variant was never sold in an AmigaOne 500 system. But yes, clock speed difference has so far been enough to constitute a separate system in the official list (see Mac mini, PowerMac G4/G5, PowerBook, iBook), so I don't see why with the AmigaOne 500 system even more significant technical differences should be ignored.

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If request for SAM 440 port be made, then why not include request for iMac G5, G4, and even G3? And perhaps PowerBook 3400c? Port every PowerPC computer that exists?

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>> It's rather 83 different full systems, as there are two different AmigaOne 500
>> systems (Sam460ex-based and Sam460cr-based). [...]
>> AmigaOne X5000 support will add 2 different full systems (X5000/20 and X5000/40).
>> This would be 85 then.

> If request for SAM 440 port be made, then why not include request for iMac G5, G4, and
> even G3? And perhaps PowerBook 3400c? Port every PowerPC computer that exists? :-D

I really don't know how that relates to what you quoted from me, but let me tell you that you may request ports to whatever hardware you want for all I care :-)

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I thought everything was supported on Sam460 now, what's still missing? Pretty sure that the Eyetech A1's a fully supported too, even the elusive onboard audio. I suppose you could say that Pegasos 2 isn't fully supported because there's no firewire support in OS4.

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It relates to your number count of supported MorphOS hardware. Perhaps the more hardware for MorphOS, the merrier.

> I thought everything was supported on Sam460 now, what's still missing?

DMA support for onboard SATA on Sam460ex comes to mind.

> I suppose you could say that Pegasos 2 isn't fully supported because there's
> no firewire support in OS4.

...and no GbE support.

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Thanks for the Frank answer!