Sorry if this has already been addressed but I haven't seen it. Is there any announced plans to expand the Mac G5 line to run MOS? The G5s I have are before or after the A1047 line that currently run MOS.

MOS Technology has ceased to exist many decades ago. I don't think MorphOS team is porting to any G5 hardware or any other PowerPC hardware. I think unfortunately they are secretly switching to X86.

@In_correct

What makes you think that? They have stated that they are currently porting to the SAM 460 motherboard so clearly they are.

As for G5, I don't know.

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When I wrote G5 I was talking about the existing Apple Mac G5 A1047 family that is already running MOS. I was wondering if any other G5 computers were going to be able to run MOS? If not then I will sell my existing G5s and get one that is compatible with MOS. I have compatible Mac G4s but I am trying to consolidate my machines. A faster G5 running OSX and MOS is more desirable than having two separate machines.

If we do understand you correctly you actually mean more G5 Macs (such as iMac G5 or more PowerMac G5 models for example) as no other G5 desktops other then Apple were ever made ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G5#Product_revision_history

Since OS is relatively stable on G5 Apple series, only obstacle is that those other models come with nVIDIA graphic cards that MorphOS doesnt currently support and doesn`t have plan to.

Checking MOS website 7.2 and 7.3 G5 models are supported, but they go up to 2.5Ghz, so there are only few benefits (few more ports, 2.7Ghz CPU ...) that supporting the rest could add on, but not a quantum leap. Surely, those board seems to support more RAM (up to 8 to 16GB) but these features are MacOS X / Linux only until MOS breaks 2GB barrier (1.5GB?). Top model PowerMac11.2 is nVIDIA only

Some iMacs with Radeon cards might be nice target
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G5

With some PowerMac models task might be trivial such as changing graphic card to suitable Radeon series (but with Mac BIOS) - but more experienced users should fill you in.

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Might be indeed, but (as usual) nothing's been promised yet.

@koszer

If had known that picture to become so popular I might have cleaned that desk up before ;)

AFAIK that iMac (2.1GHz 20" iSight) is the only modell that was ever worked on, but haven't really bothered with it for a year or so (wether any team member did is beyond my knowledge).

@vox
Supporting newer (PCIe based) PowerMacs does come with 2.5 benefits:
- less energy needed cos of 1x970MP instead of 2x970fx (if we exclude the 2.5GHz Quad)
- - - those CPUs might also be a bit faster at the same clock
- opportunity to use newer PCIe GFX-cards (sadly all those PMacs had a NVidia as default, so finding suitable Radeons might be an issue).

> no other G5 desktops other then Apple were ever made

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6267&forum=11
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6484&forum=11

> only obstacle is that those other models come with nVIDIA graphic cards [...]
> Top model PowerMac11.2 is nVIDIA only [...] Some iMacs with Radeon cards
> might be nice target [..] With some PowerMac models task might be trivial
> such as changing graphic card to suitable Radeon series

There are currently non-supported G5 PowerMacs that come with Radeon graphics cards, besides graphics cards in G5 PowerMacs that come with Nvidia card can be exchanged, as you say. And as you also say, there are also currently non-supported G5 iMacs with on-board Radeon GPU.

> 7.2 and 7.3 G5 models are supported, but they go up to 2.5Ghz

PowerMac7,3 goes up to 2.7 GHz.

> so there are only few benefits (few more ports, 2.7Ghz CPU ...)

PowerMac11,2 goes only up to 2.5 GHz. Benefits of PowerMac11,2 over PowerMac7,3 include:
- larger L2 cache
- faster RAM
- PCIe ports

> that supporting the rest could add on

PowerMac11,2 is not as old as PowerMac7,3 and 7,2, so this might be a benefit with regards to wear. Also, support for more models (newer and older) might render people who happen to own such machines inclined to try out MorphOS.

@fmh

I would not assume MorphOS Team will make any more G5 ports. Every models is different and they already have a lot of models supported, with all the extra work that comes with tweaking. So getting a supported G5 is the best idea.

The only port we KNOW is being worked on is the SAM 460 motherboard. So it's safe to assume that they are at least not working on any other port at the same time.

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The 7.3 model goes up to 2.7 GHz (I have one) with water cooling. That is indeed the fastest single core PowerMac G5 you can buy for MorphOS.

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PowerMac G5 can only handle 1 GB RAM under MOS.

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There has been a "proof-of-concept" done for several years. The last think I heard is that it still has problems, the iMacs are prone to break and the Team doesn't want to keep adding more and more models (see above).

Remember, the Team is porting to the PPC Macs in order to give us some hardware that can run MorphOS. They are not in the business of making MorphOS runs on everything PPC.

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Look into my eyes not around my eyes; you don't want to exclude the 2.5GHz Quad.

Seriously I've got one, and I want to dual boot.

Just sayin'

I have an A1093 and an A1117 G5s. The A1093 has a ATI 9600XT video card while the A1117 has a Nvidia. When booting the A1093 I get a white screen and the fans go full blast.

Yes I can always get a supported G5. That's not a huge obstacle, they are plentiful on eBay or other sources. I was just wondering if the MOS Team had announced plans for including other G5s. If so I would see if my current ones were on that list.

Thanks

If that picture is real, then the MorphOS Team should finish the port to the iMacs after finishing the SAM port.

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Lecker Kinderriegel

> If that picture is real

There are even more of them:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9034&forum=11&start=63

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> Hope that use of 1,5-2GB RAM barrier on G5 could be fixed in shorter term.

As Yasu said, the current RAM barrier for MorphOS on G5 is 1.0 GiB.

> If I do recall correctly there was a proof of concept MorphOS 3.x on A1200 with PPC card too?

It was on CSPPC, so big-box Amiga most likely, but it's late obviously and might not even come.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=16&topic_id=7868&start=40

Well folks I acquired an A1047 2.0ghz DP G5. I haven't turned it on yet but I was told it has the fancy Built To Order NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 with 512MB RAM to run the 30" Cinema Display. What a shame I can't use that video card under MOS. I will take the ATI 9600XT out of the older G5 and put it into this machine.

The G5 had a GeoForce 6800 GT 256MB instead of the Quadro FX 4500 512MB. No difference it still can not run under MOS. I put in my SSD with OSX with an empty rotational drive for MOS and the ATI 9600XT. I booted MOS from CD and got to the installer screen so I know it will work. I've decided to use this G5 as my MOS machine and will license this machine. Now I can unload all my G4's that I couldn't decide on which one to use for MOS.

Any hope of iMac G5 yet?
I gave my G5 to a friend who is now an avid morphos user.
He paid for the full $150 license.

I am thinking of getting another G5for myself.

@bash64

See above post.

above post is old.
need new info.

I don't think they want to port to the iMac G5. They are probably extremely busy and they prefer to focus on software and API improvements.

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Date of the post doesn't make it invalid.

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Then I'll just quote myself so the post is fresh:

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This was true then, and it's true today.

Since prior announcements just encourage too many in inquiries (as to when a port will be finish), as with the SAM460 port, hopefully knowledge of any further G5 developments will be kept to the developers until released.

eMac support was a pleasant surprise.

Other G5s could be sprung on us in a similar fashion.

And I myself would not invest in an iMac.
They don't seem to be very reliable.