Any idea why the YouTube posting for the AresOne PPC still mentions MorphOS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4cpahL-jrI

There has never been an absolute statement that MorphOS was going to be available for Acube hardware.

Frank merely mentioned that he had been working on a port (now apparently stagnant).

Pega-1 never promised that it would be released.

So why does Pascal Papara persist in mentioning our OS?

> Any idea why the YouTube posting for the AresOne PPC still mentions MorphOS?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4cpahL-jrI

It still mentions MorphOS because for it to not mention MorphOS anymore it would have to be edited, which apparently didn't happen. And even when edited, there would probably a new video get uploaded for this under a new URL so that the video you linked to would continue mentioning MorphOS.

> There has never been an absolute statement that MorphOS was going to be available
> for Acube hardware. Frank merely mentioned that he had been working on a port (now
> apparently stagnant). Pega-1 never promised that it would be released.

"MorphOS will officially support Sam460 at some point."
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8931&forum=11&start=1

> So why does Pascal Papara persist in mentioning our OS?

I'm not sure that not editing an old video qualifies as persistence. Or has he made any recent statements about MorphOS on AresOne PPC?

Andreas_Wolf,
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Only on his website, which uses the qualifier "maybe MorphOS", so perhaps I am being too hard on him.

And regardless of Frank's premature statement, SAM460 support still isn't a given.

But "maybe" is excusable.

If Frank and the other developers want to support Acube hardware, I hope they will give similar consideration to future A-eon products.

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I am pretty sure many of the MorphOS developers will consider future A-Eon products as possible systems to port MorphOS to, but since the price of Trevor's motherboards will remain very high, they still may consider the price to be too much for the average MorphOS user and therefore not a good candidate for porting MorphOS to in the future.

I would love to have MorphOS on my X1000, and I would also like to see it ported to future A-Eon PPC products. I always root for the greatest success for Trevor in the future, but how many MorphOS users will really purchase such systems with the projected price tags they have announced? Trevor said that the new systems will not be priced much differently than the X1000, because they plan on making some kind of profit on these next systems, so the business can continue to develop new systems into the future. Even if he plans to make no actual profit from the new systems, but tries to recoup his development cost for designing the new motherboards, the cost of these new systems will need to remain high, to ever hope to make back that money. The later system, with the greater number of cores of the two different processors they have mentioned, might even cost more than the X1000 does now.

Of course, I was very surprised to read that the SAM460 was going to be supported in the first place, as there are likely to be very few MorphOS users who will purchase that system either, and few existing AmigaOS4.x users who already own SAM460 systems who will purchase a MorphOS3.x license.

I am not against such a port, just surprised that it was ever started, but since Frank appears to have that board, or at least has access to one, it only costs him his time to work on such a port. If any of the SAM systems, or A-Eon systems are supported at any time in the future, it will be due to the generosity of the MorphOS Dev. Team members with their time, not because the effort will generate many new users, or income from license purchases.

[ Edited by amigadave 06.10.2013 - 19:22 ]

Yes, considering the pricing of the processors Trevor has mentioned, he won't be able to significantly lower his price.
But he will be able to offer a faster processor with up to four cores.
No AltiVec instructions and probably less PCIe lanes (but at a later, faster spec).
All things considered, while still expensive (even the Acube hardware), I'm glad we are being given some new options.

If Trevor builds a Qorlq system and our developers port to it I WILL buy one.
Regardless of any other consideration, price be damned, to show my support (and to have something NEW).

And, BTW, I would LOVE to be able to buy new higher end video cards.
Right now I have a stack of eight (yes eight) Radeon 9800Pro and Radeon 9800XT cards sitting behind me.
I used ATITool ver 0.26 to test each of them today.
While most boot correctly, ALL of them artifact under testing.

A word to the wise, I am finding that the failure rate of R300 cards is much higher than their R200 predecessors.

They just run so much hotter.

But that doesn't explain why the R400 cards I have on hand are not failing at a similar rate as the two designs are somewhat related (the R400 basically doubling the number of pipelines and , once again, raising the clock speeds).
Don't get me wrong, R400s do fail (so do R200), but I'm disgusted with the problems I've had with the R300 9especially the R360).

Its the main reason I've stopped offering to flash these cards. For every card I have sent out, i have two or three sitting here that have some level of dysfunction.

For example, the machine I'm typing on right now has a Radeon 9800Pro 256MB video card in it with ram heatsinks and a big Zalman cooler.
It works perfectly in 2D application.
If all you ever did was surf the web or do some word processing you would never know it had issues (since it has no problem with sites like YouTube).

BUT...run a 3D app on it and it produces all sorts of distortion.

And the only new R300 cards on the market are some scary looking devices from China.

So, to wrap up a far too long post, I'd love to be able to run an Acube board with an R500 like the X1300.
Or a new A-eon board with something even more modern.

I'm getting tired of trying to keep old hardware functioning.
One of my MDDs just died (but that is another story)

Take care all.

Jim Igou

[ Edited by Jim 07.10.2013 - 04:11 ]

> If any of the SAM systems [...] are supported at any time in the future, it will be [...] not
> because the effort will generate many new users, or income from license purchases.

Absolutely, especially considering the MorphOS team's dissapointment regarding the "rather sparse feedback [they] received from customers regarding [their] plans to support ACube's hardware".

> considering the pricing of the processors Trevor has mentioned, he won't be
> able to significantly lower his price.

The 2.0 GHz P5020 can currently be had between about 300 USD (1000 pcs. quantity directly from Freescale) and about 350 USD (single quantity from Mouser). The envisaged price of the complete machine is some 3000 USD (i.e. the X1000's price). So even if the CPU came for free(!), Trevor could lower the machine's price only to between 2650 and 2700 USD. So yes, he won't be able to significantly lower the price, but this is surely not due to the pricing of the processors.

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I agree that it is not the price of the CPU's that is keeping the price of these next systems high, but rather the costs involved in designing a new motherboard for any PPC CPU, coupled with the low number of potential sales in the shrunken Amiga market place. Any custom motherboard that will only sell in the hundreds of units would face the same problems of low demand and high design costs.

If Trevor could also somehow sell his new motherboards to a different interest group as well as current and former Amiga users, then maybe he could produce several thousand motherboards and reduce the cost by spreading the cost of the design, but I don't know of any other groups who will be interested in purchasing a custom PPC motherboard with the addition of the X-Core co-processor and slot. There is a slight chance that A-Eon and AmigaKit could sell a few of these new motherboards to developers interested in X-Core technology, but it is very doubtful that the number of extra boards, or systems sold would be enough to lower the price.

Maybe they will get lucky and some rouge genius will invent some new gadget that can only be used with the X-Core Xena slot on A-Eon's custom motherboards, but as has already been discussed a few times, nobody knows exactly what to do with that interface yet in a "Must Have" way.