Will be more g5 ports?
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    _ThEcRoW
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    Hello, i have been lately looking for a g5 powermac, in order to run morphos on it, and located one model that is interesting o price, but watched the list on the obliguement site, and the model isn't supported at the time. Will be more g5's available to run morphos on?.
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    That would be great if it was made to support more PowerMac G5 models. It may depend on the level of acceptance of MorphOS on the G5 whether or not more models will eventually be supported.

    I made sure that the first G5 I bought was the same machine Bigfoot was using for the port: PM 7,3/1047/M9747LL/A, PCI bus, ATI Video.

    Later, just because the price was so good locally, I picked up three additional G5 machines for $70 total, all were PM 7,3/1047/M9757LL/A, except PCI-X models, ATI video. All of them work with MOS 3.2.

    [ Edited by SteveE617 14.06.2013 - 12:32 ]
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    _ThEcRoW wrote:
    Hello, i have been lately looking for a g5 powermac, in order to run morphos on it, and located one model that is interesting o price, but watched the list on the obliguement site, and the model isn't supported at the time. Will be more g5's available to run morphos on?.


    Last time I counted, there were about 77 different models of MorphOS compatible computers. That is a huge number to support with each new release, and it should not be difficult for anyone to find several compatible computers for purchase, so they can enjoy running MorphOS3.2.

    Just get one of the already supported models and begin your own enjoyment of MorphOS3.2, instead of bothering the developers asking for them to support even more hardware choices. There are many other development tasks that are more important and needed than trying to get them to support 1, or 2, or 3 more G4/G5 computer models.

    What number of supported computers is enough? (or in other words, I got the model I wanted supported, so I don't want/need for the developers to spend any more time working on supporting any new models) :-D
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    SteveE617 escribió:
    That would be great if it was made to support more PowerMac G5 models. It may depend on the level of acceptance of MorphOS on the G5 whether or not more models will eventually be supported.

    I made sure that the first G5 I bought was the same machine Bigfoot was using for the port: PM 7,3/1047/M9747LL/A, PCI bus, ATI Video.

    Later, just because the price was so good locally, I picked up three additional G5 machines for $70 total, all were PM 7,3/1047/M9757LL/A, except PCI-X models, ATI video. All of them work with MOS 3.2.

    [ Edited by SteveE617 14.06.2013 - 12:32 ]


    Three g5's for $70?. Where?. The cheaper i have found o the net is in the order of 150/170 eur for 1.6/1.8 and about 200/300 eur for a 2.0/2.3 dual proc g5.
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    _ThEcRoW wrote:
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    SteveE617 escribió:
    That would be great if it was made to support more PowerMac G5 models. It may depend on the level of acceptance of MorphOS on the G5 whether or not more models will eventually be supported.

    I made sure that the first G5 I bought was the same machine Bigfoot was using for the port: PM 7,3/1047/M9747LL/A, PCI bus, ATI Video.

    Later, just because the price was so good locally, I picked up three additional G5 machines for $70 total, all were PM 7,3/1047/M9757LL/A, except PCI-X models, ATI video. All of them work with MOS 3.2.

    [ Edited by SteveE617 14.06.2013 - 12:32 ]


    Three g5's for $70?. Where?. The cheaper i have found o the net is in the order of 150/170 eur for 1.6/1.8 and about 200/300 eur for a 2.0/2.3 dual proc g5.


    There was an individual that had two for sale. I offered $70 plus pick up (he lived about 50 miles away) and he included a third one in for free!!

    One is a 2.5 GHz machine with 1GB RAM, the other two were 2.0 GHz machines. The free one has a bad power supply in it, but heck it was free!
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  • »15.06.13 - 02:35
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    amigadave escribió:
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    _ThEcRoW wrote:
    Hello, i have been lately looking for a g5 powermac, in order to run morphos on it, and located one model that is interesting o price, but watched the list on the obliguement site, and the model isn't supported at the time. Will be more g5's available to run morphos on?.


    Last time I counted, there were about 77 different models of MorphOS compatible computers. That is a huge number to support with each new release, and it should not be difficult for anyone to find several compatible computers for purchase, so they can enjoy running MorphOS3.2.

    Just get one of the already supported models and begin your own enjoyment of MorphOS3.2, instead of bothering the developers asking for them to support even more hardware choices. There are many other development tasks that are more important and needed than trying to get them to support 1, or 2, or 3 more G4/G5 computer models.

    What number of supported computers is enough? (or in other words, I got the model I wanted supported, so I don't want/need for the developers to spend any more time working on supporting any new models) :-D


    Why such tone in the reply?. I never implied in any moment that i wanted a certain model supported, only asked about the viability of future ports. If asking such is bothering the devs or people here, then something wrong is happening.
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    _ThEcRoW wrote:

    Why such tone in the reply?. I never implied in any moment that i wanted a certain model supported, only asked about the viability of future ports. If asking such is bothering the devs or people here, then something wrong is happening.
    Bye.




    The tone is from me, not any of the MorphOS Dev. Team, though one or two of them might have expressed similar thoughts on the topic. The reason for the tone is that there has been too much asking for support of more models from a few people here lately, instead of thanking the MorphOS Dev. Team for what they have accomplished so far to date. Another reason for not supporting more different models of computers is that with each new model that is added to the list of supported MorphOS computers, it adds more work for the small development team to do when a new version of MorphOS3.x is released, and many people think that there are already more than enough models supported now and that the Dev. Team's time would be better spent refining the OS, adding missing features, or writing/porting more software to MorphOS3.x, instead of spending any of that time to support yet one more model of PPC hardware when we already have 77 different computers that can run MorphOS3.2.

    Sorry you did not like the tone of my reply, but my opinion is just as valid as yours, so I see no reason why I should refrain from expressing my thoughts on this topic. I also think that an answer has already been given by one or more of the MorphOS Dev. Team members regarding future ports to more hardware models, but perhaps you did not see that/those posts earlier.

    I pushed very hard to get the port to the G5 PowerMac towers completed a couple of years ago, until I realized that what I wanted was not as important as the things that the MorphOS Dev. Team were trying to accomplish, so I stopped asking for the G5 port to happen. Instead, when ever the topic would come up in any thread, I would voice my desire to have G5 support again, then I would drop the topic again, until it was mentioned another time by someone else.

    The MorphOS Dev. Team has made very wise choices regarding which hardware to support so far, so I trust them to continue to make the right choices in the future.

    [ Edited by amigadave 16.06.2013 - 15:34 ]
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    David is completely right.
    Now that we've got it, its time to sit back and let them polish it, not ask for more.
    I too pushed this, and we got it and I haven't even set up a G5 yet.
    The latest thing I've done is upgrade my iBook to 1.5GB (I assume the initial 512mb is on the board?).

    Man these things are cheaply made. It flexes when I type.
    Still, kind of the prototype for netbooks.

    I hope to get a G5 set up by the time Mark works out how to support the same memory I have in my other systems.
    And I'm going to focus on getting licenses for every machine I have.
    That's my way of showing my appreciation.

    [ Edited by Jim 18.06.2013 - 02:54 ]
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  • »16.06.13 - 23:04
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    I never was asking about doing certain port, i only asked about if it would be new ports, but if you see it that way, then fine for you.


    [ Editado por _ThEcRoW 17.06.2013 - 13:39 ]
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    _ThEcRoW wrote:
    I never was asking about doing certain port, i only asked about if it would be new ports, but if you see it that way, then fine for you.


    [ Editado por _ThEcRoW 17.06.2013 - 13:39 ]


    Again, sorry you are offended by my reply, I did not intend to single you out and my reply was meant to be more general to anyone who is asking for more G5 models to be supported.

    To answer your question, there does not seem to be any announced plans to expand MorphOS support to any other G5 models by any of the MorphOS Dev. Team members at this time, and at least one member of the team has expressed that he believes that their focus should be on adding new features, fixing any bugs found in the current release, and possibly creating new software, or porting more existing software to run on MorphOS3.2. Another MorphOS Dev. Team member (or perhaps the same one) also stated that he did not think that any bounty would increase the speed, or chances of additional G5 models being supported in the future.

    If you still feel I have offended you personally, then please accept my apology.
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    Jim wrote:
    David is completely right.
    Now that we've got it, its time to sit back and let them polish it, not ask for more.
    I too pushed this, and we got it and i haven't even set up a G5 yet.
    The latest thing I've done is upgrade my iBook to 1.5GB.
    I hope to get a G5 set up by the time mark works out how to support the same memory I have in my other systems.
    And I'm going to focus on getting licenses for every machine I have.
    that's my way of showing my appreciation.


    +1 to that. I'm loving my PowerBook very much and I was going to setup one of my PowerMac G4's and register another copy of 3.2 but I'm toying with the idea of getting a G5 instead and then registering that one instead in anticipation of a more polished 3.3 for the G5.

    Need to quit the smokes to pay for this one methinks! :)
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    Need to quit the smokes to pay for this one methinks! :)


    I just sold my RC30 to a guy in NJ to help pay for autoboby work on my PT Cruiser.
    Big mistake methinks, but hey I kept the four PowerMacs (then again, who wants them but us).

    My problem is I've just seen to much crappy Apple hardware.
    Yeah, some of it is OK, but I keep coming back to the nightmares (like the Apple III).
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    @amigadave

    Iwasn't offended at the comment, just that it sounded a bit sharp. That and language barrier i suppose would have been joining forces. I have no problem with anyone here and want it to stay that way so not worry abuit it Dave. Sometimes we can't express the real meaning with words and problems get in.
    I have located a good g5 2.5ghz, but i'm really concerned about the liquid cooling system. I have checked it and is supported by morphos, so that part is no problem, but the lcs part is the one that worries me.
    Seems i have to investigate more if there is more pros that cons. Here the g5's still are a bit pricey comparing other places i have heard here, but the air cooled seem to be more expensive than the liquid cooled ones.
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    Now I'm convinced too! Next step should be to make MOS better.

    Besides, the iMac's screens are way to small and square for my taste :-P
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    _ThEcRoW wrote:
    @amigadave

    Iwasn't offended at the comment, just that it sounded a bit sharp. That and language barrier i suppose would have been joining forces. I have no problem with anyone here and want it to stay that way so not worry abuit it Dave. Sometimes we can't express the real meaning with words and problems get in.
    I have located a good g5 2.5ghz, but i'm really concerned about the liquid cooling system. I have checked it and is supported by morphos, so that part is no problem, but the lcs part is the one that worries me.
    Seems i have to investigate more if there is more pros that cons. Here the g5's still are a bit pricey comparing other places i have heard here, but the air cooled seem to be more expensive than the liquid cooled ones.



    Glad you found a G5 to purchase for running MorphOS3.2. I suggest you take it apart to check for corrosion from slow leakage that does not show unless you remove the G5 heat sinks. Also, it is a very good idea to replace the "O"-rings and maybe even replace the coolant, or at least make sure that it is full, with no air pockets in the cooling system. It takes a bit of work to do these things, but is good insurance that will keep your system safe for the future.

    If you can't do the repairs yourself, then find someone who can do it for you cheaply.
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