Amazing!

I have to sell my shitty Mac Mini soon!

I hope this so many people can use Mos with less money and Amigans tooooooo.

Amiga will survive !!!

Up for x86 Amigans Generations

>> This is not true. No such statement has been given.

> Up for x86 Amigans Generations :-D

???

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&post_id=76707#76707
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6918&forum=3&post_id=77273#77273

For me the best future MorphOS hardware is support to the last official IBM cpu, the "z196"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z196_CPU

> the last official IBM cpu, the "z196"

Hopefully just the latest, not the last ;-)

yes andreas, latest :)
z196 have a lot of power, much more than xbox 360 + ps3 together :P

Official IBM video from z196
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49qD1Vk3Yf4



[ Editado por _DaNi_ el 2011/1/13 23:37 ]

> z196 have a lot of power, much more than
> xbox 360 + ps3 together :P

Yes, probably, but unfortunately z196 doesn't use Power ISA and is as non-obtainable on the free market as both Xenon/XCGPU and Cell ;-)

It's great to see all those NEW "faster-than-what-we-have-now-cpus"... but what's in it for MorphOS ? Do we need custom hardware ? And who is going to put it together for us ?

There is so much easily and cheap obtainable fast hardware, that to my opinion it would make no sense at all to go the custom way.

> Do we need custom hardware ?

I'd say no. MorphOS Team has said on several occasions that they won't port to 'custom hardware' ever again (presumably if not paid an appropriate sum for the port, that is).

> There is so much easily and cheap obtainable fast hardware

There will be the day when PPC Macs won't draw anyone from the woodwork anymore in terms of performance. In 5 years from now the last PPC Mac will be one decade old. So I think it's justified to think about what could come after PowerMac G5.

I wasn't refering to the (Power)macs... There is easily and cheap obtainable fast NEW hardware to port MorphOS to.

As you say, it doesn't have to happen before 2015 ... but a roadmap involving a new architecture for MorphOS made public wouldn't hurt I think.
I understand that in our world making such announcements is dangerous because of all the crap that happened, but what is wrong with ambition and having a target?

Tell the people you will finish a port to "xyz" in 2015 and show them every once in a while the progress and do not sell t-shirts in the time being... you have to give people a reason to buy MorphOS now and stay with it.

> I wasn't refering to the (Power)macs

Ah okay, misunderstanding. My bad.

> you have to give people a reason to buy MorphOS now and stay with it.

I think the best reason for buying MorphOS now is what it has to offer right now, not what it will possibly offer in the future. But you're right that the prospect of staying with MorphOS will probably require some severe decisions by the MorphOS Team at some point in the future.

Another interesting claim from Mr. Papara:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KCghkQiqhI

At 0:50 it says "Fastest PPC-code execution".

More there:

"MorphOS.... there is a chance. It is my turn, to prove the usability of a PPC OS via emulation during this year. Everything else depends on the developers."
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=53975#forumpost53975

Any comments by the MorphOS Team on this?

"Fastest PPC-code execution"?
Emulation on an X86 that is faster than a 2.7 G5 (or even a 1.8 Ghz G4)?
Bold announcement for a project that isn't finished.

Regardless of how such a scheme would work or perform, a native port of MorphOS to X86 with PPC emulation for legacy code would perform better.

"MorphOS.... there is a chance"
Why does he continue to make statements about MorphOS without the involvement of the development team?

Quote:
This person does not talk in behalf of the MorphOS Team. Why he keeps posting in such a fashion that might give this impression is beyond me.

Just for the future: Nothing he says should be taken to indicate anything MorphOS Team might or not not be doing or planning to do. I hope this is clear enough now?

Apparent immediately on examination Piru. Thanks for the confirmation.

I'm still not sure why he's selling a six core Phenom based system for an OS that uses one core.

> Nothing he says should be taken to indicate anything MorphOS Team might
> or not not be doing or planning to do. I hope this is clear enough now?

Absolutely, Sir! ;-) Thanks for your reply.

I would even prefer if he would clearly avoid (ab)using MorphOS for his sales propaganda.

So far he didnt even manage to deliver AMC for MorphOS which is announced for quite a while but delayed for months now (not that I'm holding my breath for its release) ....

Hi,

let me clear up some of my "advertising" sentences like fastest PPC code execution.

I mean Rosetta and or Doplphin. So in fact the hardware does what i say.

Why i am selling a 6core?
Hmm maybe because of Windows, OS X, Linux and especially Broadway X ?

I have no YES from Team Morphos but a "ok show what you have, we could at least talk about" from one member.... which is enough for me. So a minimal chance is there. Or am i wrong?

What is bad about this? Team MorphOS can still control on what hardware it runs.


[ Edited by phoenixkonsole on 2011/3/13 11:24 ]

Before you ask.... i just asked Frank Mariak what he is thinking about this idea. So he sayed not yes but also not no.... thats all.

[ Edited by phoenixkonsole on 2011/3/13 11:28 ]

> I mean Rosetta and or Doplphin. So in fact the hardware does what i say.

So you did some benchmarking against a POWER7 or at least a quad-core PPC970 machine?

> i just asked Frank Mariak what he is thinking about this idea.
> So he sayed not yes but also not no

And here is this thread he just said you should better "avoid (ab)using MorphOS for [your] sales propaganda".

Hmm i have been asked about it and answered. If this is propaganda for you than it is fine for me. If you mean the wording about fastest PPC-execution.. this is valid for other OS-distributions than MOS which actually are working out of the box.

> If this is propaganda for you

Pega-1 aka Frank Mariak called it propaganda. I didn't say yet if for me it's propaganda or not.

> If you mean the wording about fastest PPC-execution.. this is valid
> for other OS-distributions than MOS which actually are working out of
> the box.

This doesn't answer my question. I'll ask it again: So you did some benchmarking against a POWER7 or at least a quad-core PPC970 machine?

With "you" i meant the german "ihr"

Well i am a mac user since years and can say that it is faster than a quad g5 in general use of ppc (non universal binaries). Sure if we make number crunching the Power7 will be faster but can you get a Power7 this cheap? It is just a statement compared to the last available consumer macs. So you can destroy my "propaganda" with every more modern PPC Cpu. I agree.

> With "you" i meant the german "ihr"

Fair enough. But even the plural "you" would include me and so far I didn't call your statement "propaganda". But to be honest, I'm more and more inclined to do so.

> it is faster than a quad g5 in general use of ppc

Could you provide some numbers from your benchmark tests please?

> if we make number crunching the Power7 will be faster

Which means your machine does *not* provide the "Fastest PPC-code execution", right?

> but can you get a Power7 this cheap?

No, but your claim doesn't contain anything about costs, only about performance. Maybe you should change it to include costs as well.

> It is just a statement compared to the last available consumer macs.

But that's not what the claim says. There's more to PPC than just the old PPC Macs.

> you can destroy my "propaganda" with every more modern PPC Cpu. I agree.

Nice that you agree. Now let's see if that is just lip service :-)

@Andreas_Wolf
PowerPC != Power, they are two different (though related) ISAs. Therefore, it is fair to exclude Power7 from these discussions. If you wanted to avoid offending pedantic people you could change the claim to 'Fastest PPC code execution on consumer-grade hardware'.

[ Edited by HenryCase on 2011/3/13 14:00 ]