> PowerPC != Power, they are two different (though related) ISAs.

Starting with POWER3 (aka "PPC630"), the POWER microarchitecture has been implementing the PowerPC ISA. Thus, POWER3 through POWER7 is able to execute the full PowerPC instruction set.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_POWER_microprocessors#POWER3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_600#PowerPC_630

> Therefore, it is fair to exclude Power7 from these discussions.

As shown above, it is not.

> you could change the claim to 'Fastest PPC code execution on
> consumer-grade hardware'.

Yes, that would be another possibility for him, besides the one I outlined already.

OK

'Fastest PPC code execution on consumer-grade hardware'

+

AresOne 2011 costs with Phenom x4 3,4GHZ each core and comes 486.70Euros

And the AresOne Pro comes around 1200€.

Benchmarks will follow.

But in the meantime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iUSoPOuU4

And the second best choice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p808z0nfkDQ



[ Edited by phoenixkonsole on 2011/3/13 14:56 ]

> Benchmarks will follow.

Nice. I'm looking forward to your benchmark test results against a quad-core PPC970 machine (PowerMac G5 or Fixstars PowerStation).

@phoenixkonsole:

Just out of curiosity, do you advertise your systems on a1k.org as "Fastest 68k execution on consumer-targeted hardware"?

[ Edited by analogkid on 2011/3/13 15:22 ]

@phoenixkonsole

PearPC 0.4 ?
http://pearpc.sourceforge.net

[ Edited by Divinity on 2011/3/13 16:15 ]

http://creativemac.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=39065

Well a 2006 coreduo (not a core2) wasn't bad at this time compared to a G5 Quad. I will show some 2011 realworld results asap.
This is Rosetta. PearPC is performance is around 1/20 - 1/15 of the host performance.

Dolphin is the way to go. PearPC would mean the less work but less performance.


[ Edited by phoenixkonsole on 2011/3/13 17:06 ]

http://www.barefeats.com/quad06.html

Sad. And now make a jump from 2006 to 2011 and you know what i mean.

@phoenixkonsole

ok Rosetta, PearPC and Dolphin, but (I don't understand) ... Do you have a your own PowerPC emulator code ?

No i don't let develop anything from scratch. So it means that the changed code had to be made public which means again that everyone could build his own MOS-Emu... which is bad because you could just share images.(piracy)

I am talking about:
Create a fictional PPC HArdware based on Dolphins code
A WII HD with more Ram if you like.

Port MOS to this fictional Hardware

Secure the install-process to make piracy impossible.
My solution is to use a native(not emulated) installer and use a Key which is part of the Bios(and on top personalized).

That is all. A mixture of patching an existing Emu and an native(closed source) installer with some security checks running natively.

> Create a fictional PPC HArdware based on Dolphins code
> A WII HD with more Ram if you like.
>
> Port MOS to this fictional Hardware

Maybe you should talk to MorphOS Team member CISC. He thinks that "among current-gen consoles the Wii is still the most likely candidate for MorphOS". So maybe he's interested in a port of MorphOS to an emulated (and extended) Wii as well.

Some older statements:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6993&forum=3&post_id=77928#77928

Hehe, so you were knowing that there is at least "minimal" chance ; )
Let me finish the concept (Linux-side, should be done by end of april) and than we can start talking again.
Everything else depends on Team MorphOS interests/plans and resources.

New facts:
I will try to provide a working ground (security aspects)
There is no "YES" by Team MorphOS so far.

> Hehe, so you were knowing that there is at least "minimal" chance ; )

Not quite. I don't know the MorphOS Team's internal 'rules' to come to a decision for or against certain new target hardware (be it physical or emulated), so I don't know if CISC would even be allowed to collaborate with you on this project (provided he wants to). But asking can never hurt, I guess. Only the answer can tell you if there's "at least "minimal" chance".

> Everything else depends on Team MorphOS interests/plans and resources.

Yes, that's why pega-1 said you should "avoid (ab)using MorphOS for [your] sales propaganda", meaning that you shouldn't even mention MorphOS in the context of your products as long as you don't even know if the MorphOS Team is interested in collaborating with you. At least that's how I understand what pega-1 said.

Quote:

sincerely, I don't think It's a project interesting in this way (use a very powerful X64 system to use an hosted emulated OS PowerPC, MorphOS).
It could be useful as testing, developing platform, but not for end users.
I hope one day, MorphOS team will port their OS MorphOS to X64, and inside itself using a PowerPC and 68K emulator for legacy software.

Yes, I think you've hit it dead on the nail Divinity. A native X86 port of MorphOS that could run 68K and PPC code via JIT code translation would be faster and an all around more desirable project.

Sure, but my intention is mainly to have all kind of Amiga on one machine. It could be used to make the transition to x86 or as crossdevelopment machine. Or it just means that my customers can easely get access to MorphOS (as hobby os).

That is enough for me (personally).

> my intention is mainly to have all kind of Amiga on one machine.

Easy. Get AROS ported natively to the Pegasos II ...just joking ;-)

@Andreas_Wolf:
Quote:

Heh, you need to stop quoting me as if there's ever any actual chance that it will happen... ;)

Quote:

Well, what I can tell you though is that emulator-support is not likely to ever see the light of day outside of bigfoot's Look-What-I-Can-Do projects, mostly due to obvious reasons like impossible to control licenses etc.

Additionally I'm currently not in a position to work on anything MorphOS related, and probably won't be for quite some time (mainly due to time-constraints, but there are also some practical issues that need to be resolved (basically I have no up-and-running MorphOS hardware (it's not broken, it just has nowhere to live (power) and breathe (network))). :P

- CISC

> emulator-support is not likely to ever see the light of day outside of
> bigfoot's Look-What-I-Can-Do projects

Alright, so much for phoenixkonsole's hope for "at least "minimal" chance" then.

> This person does not talk in behalf of the MorphOS Team. Why he keeps
> posting in such a fashion that might give this impression is beyond me.

While I don't know if this has anything to do with phoenixkonsole, on amiga-news.de a user reports (in German) that Amiga Future magazine issue #89 says that "MorphOS may soon run on Intel processor (probably emulated)".
It would be interesting to know who the author of the article is, who the source he puts there for the claim is (if any) and what the exact wording of the statement is. Any Amiga Future subscribers here who can shed some light?
Posting statements pulled out of thin air to Internet message boards is one thing, but having those end up in printed magazines adds another sad quality I think.

@AW

That would be the interview with ..... well guess yourself

> That would be the interview with ..... well guess yourself

Thanks for answering. So my (tacit) suspicion has been spot on, and I posted this in the appropriate thread ;-)

Update:

> the April 2010 roadmap lacks the step to 22 nm which is shown by
> these 4 older documents.

Third generation QorIQ has reappeared on the roadmap in January ("22 nm" was changed to "future technology node" though):

http://www.freescale.com/files/netcomm/doc/fact_sheet/QORIQOV.pdf (page 2)

>> Pascal Papara wrote:
>> AROS in 5 years is 64Bit, could be the base of MorphOS x86.

> Another very disturbing phrase

Some thoughts by Jason "Ezrec" McMullan of AROS/m68k fame on the prospect of AROS/x86 forming the base for MorphOS/x86:

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2012-03-00089-EN.html

The one thing I wonder is how the single address space OS that is MorphOS (or rather its A-Box) shall be able to gain "PowerPC-compatibility with the help of a Rosetta-kind of PPC-to-x86-interface" when the way Rosetta works relies on separated address spaces for each task, AFAIK.

So Morphos on x86/64 is at the gate ?? Fantastic! :D

x86/64 is Knockin' on MorphOS's Door

I cannot wait :)

[ Edited by Mabo 22.09.2013 - 15:11 ]

> So Morphos on x86/64 is at the gate ?? Fantastic! :D x86/64 is Knockin' on MorphOS's Door
> I cannot wait :)

As we now can be assured of, MorphOS did not "stop using PowerPC in 2013" :-)