> Having met both these men in person at past AmiWest shows

Gunnar "BigGun" von Boehn was at AmiWest? Which year was that?

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You know my memory is very faulty, specially for dates of events that weren't that special for me to remember (not meaning that meeting Gunnar wasn't special), so I may be wrong on this, but I believe it was the 2013 AmiWest that Gunnar attended.

Edit: I'll be embarrassed if I have confused Gunnar with someone else, but that might be the case. I may be thinking of one of the AROS programmers, instead of Gunnar, now that I think about it more. Getting older is so much fun.

[ Edited by amigadave 13.06.2016 - 23:13 ]

>> Gunnar "BigGun" von Boehn was at AmiWest? Which year was that?

> I may be wrong on this, but I believe it was the 2013 AmiWest that Gunnar attended.
> Edit: I'll be embarrassed if I have confused Gunnar with someone else, but that
> might be the case. I may be thinking of one of the AROS programmers, instead of
> Gunnar, now that I think about it more.

You mean Jason "Ezrec" McMullan who attended AmiWest in person in 2012 (together with Samuel "Samurai_Crow" Crow) and via video conference in 2013?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3d5qR-Hv8 (24:05)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpQO7XSfAv4

I can't remember ever reading anything about Gunnar attending AmiWest.

@amigadave

you mix him with Jason obviously

I have high respect of Jens regarding his skills but I have seen him posting several times downtalking any possible competition (he tried that with Gunnar too). Latest of Jens was his "friendly email" regarding P96 that was published lately (unfortunately for him). Some praise him as a kind of hardware god doing everything just for altruism, but he is not, he is nothing else than a small businessman doing everything for profit and fearing someone else (f.e. hobby developers) could take away from his cake. That is how he presents himself in the community. Gunnar can be very arrogant too, so in a way they have similarities in their personality. And because of that I wrote they would need PR people.

@AmigaDave

Are you going to Amiwest this year? I'm going to try to make it again this year. Maybe I'll even have a Vampire 500 to demonstrate. BTW, check your PM.

Natami was announced in 2008 as something faster than ppc.
After many years of lies and false promises this crap is still two times slower than slowest ppc cards for amiga.
Slower than commodore protypes.
And also slower than uae from year 2000 on pc from year 2000.
I know, some peple don't like bitter truth.
But it's a really big disappointment.

> Natami was announced in 2008 as something faster than ppc.

...than *certain* PPC. The fastest PPC is several hundred times as fast as the slowest PPC.

> this crap is [...] Slower than commodore protypes.

Which ones?

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It is obviously a big disappointment for you, but not a disappointment for most other Amiga users. In fact, you are one of only a few people I have seen complain about the performance that has been shown running 68k benchmarks and software on FPGA.

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Yes, see the thread I started for 2016 AmiWest Show. PM answered

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he is not a buyer or user of it anyway and despite that complaining. I have read not a single buyer who were disappointed and if you are selling something buyers are much more important than people complaining who would never buy your product. The funny thing is... the same person is praising PPC instead what is in my view as "illogical" as the preference for 68k and vampire. Intead he should use standard hardware and a modern OS instead if he really insists on benchmarking and making comparationss.

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if you talk sbout "crap" and making benchmarks then somehow I think of PPC. There were benchmarks comparing Javascript browser performance and all PPC platforms were devasteted by both Aros X86 (newest OWB version with JIT) and all modern platforms including all sort of smartphones. I know that this is not only caused by the processor but also by the lack of software support in todays world but whatever caused it, PPC is nothing else than a toy in todays terms, if you like it or nor. I can give you the link to the benchmarks if you ask to.

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Do you realize that you even quoted him as saying that a 16 years old x86-based computer running emulation is faster than a Vampire? I do not think he needs a lesson in the type of performance one can expect with this hardware architecture...

Also, have you even noticed that he only mentioned PowerPC in the context of other accelerator cards that are compatible with Commodore Amiga hardware, which seems like a rather obvious and fitting point of reference when you discuss Vampire?

For people who do not care about emulation, it does not matter how fast a Xeon processor is as long as you cannot stick one in your A600. And for those who like software emulation, ppcamiga1 already established that even a very old PC should be a fine.

So, what was the point of your rant again?

that someone praising one toy is talking down another toy

PPC is not modern or competitive in 2016

So Vampire is a toy for one group, PPC a toy for another. And still he nerves with his postings

Regardless of your opinion, a PPC will run circles around a 68K OR the Vampire.
And running under Linux my 2.5 Quad core G5 is quite capable of keeping up with so called "modern" machines.

A "toy"?
By no ones definition but your own and you are begining to sound like an idiot.
Do you really think major companies would be investing in Power8 hardware if it was a "toy"?

Not only do you sound like an idiot, but an uninformed idiot as well.

[ Edited by Jim 17.06.2016 - 12:48 ]

> You use google in wrong way. In way You use google it not return single screenshot from
> sysspeed on vampire where vampire is faster than 68060 80 MHz. You have to try again.

68060 at 60 MHz: 79.68 MIPS (= 106.24 MIPS at 80 MHz)
Vampire2 with Apollo SILVER7: 112.95 MIPS

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uysGt3X9OQA/V4XzeqVZuwI/AAAAAAAAPEQ/0mwJghvwSdMovJsoOquhWuYWKKU1_T9WQCLcB/s1600/SysSpeed_A2000_4.png
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vqobh_sQl60/V4X6OXw_5-I/AAAAAAAAPGE/I9RrucLt69YlbKs6MJ5osb2pAUDhTLN0gCLcB/s1600/VampireII_C7_SysSpeed_4.png

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I knew it. You are speaking about yourself.
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This is nonsense because you obviously only speak about G5 and lower. Why don't you give the same statement for an 68k processor, a C2D or an ARMv4?
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and AROS is a toy for the third one.
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You are speaking about yourself again. So why don't you get back to enjoy your toy instead of badmouthing here for another decade? Is AROS finished already? Or are you finished with AROS?

> badmouthing here for another decade

He registered here less than half a decade ago :-)

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If You read entire post You get that it is result in worse screen resolution that used on 060.
And in the same screen vampire results are much worse.

Olaf Schönweiss is well knowh powerpc hater.
Like others powerpc haters Olaf Schönweiss strogly believe
that if he make enough troubles amiga users will resign from use of better amiga than these made by commodore.

We have 29 july 2016. 20 years ago Microsoft release Windows NT 4.0 first modern windows with well know gui AND memory protection.

I don't understand why some idiots believe that we amiga users will be using shit like aros which is not compatible with old applications and has not memory protection.
When on pc we may just use windows.

> If You read entire post You get that it is result in worse
> screen resolution that used on 060.

Can you please quote the part that says this?

"Update

There was a suggestion from Gunnar von Boehn on the Apollo Forum, that for a test I should use the same resolution. So Vampire runs on Workbench 800x600x16bit like it was on the A2000. The result is even even worse.."

> "Update
> There was a suggestion from Gunnar von Boehn on the Apollo Forum, that for
> a test I should use the same resolution. So Vampire runs on Workbench
> 800x600x16bit like it was on the A2000. The result is even even worse.."

This was referring to the Cinema 4D benchmark, not SysSpeed. Besides, the Vampire2/Apollo was running the higher resolution, not the A2000/68060.

"You see clearly that the A2000 used 800x600 and the Vampire rendered on 1360x768."
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=71

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How can you expect any readers of this forum to believe any test results you post here, or provide links to, when you are so obviously obsessed about crusading against Gunnar and his project(s)?

The more messages you post, the more it makes you look like someone who needs psychiatric treatment, and possibly medical supervision to make sure you don't hurt yourself or others.

Ask yourself this question; why is that no one else is stepping forward to support your claims of non-performance, lies, and benchmarks that show the Vampire/Vampire2 projects to be useless scam products, intended to steal money from Amiga users? Why is it that so many Amiga users, and some Amiga programmers, are interested in buying, or have already purchased a Vampire, or Vampire2 board, and all of them appear to be very happy with their purchase, and the performance of the Apollo core(s)?

You stand alone crying wolf, while everyone else who is interested, is either already enjoying their Vampire/Vampire2 boards, or waiting for their Vampire2 board to be produced and shipped to them.

I don't really care what caused this (apparent) sickness you seem to be suffering from, but one has to wonder what happened to push you over the edge, and onto this path of less than sane behavior?

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I won't waste my time looking up the forum post he is referring to, but since the A2000 does not support a screen resolution of 800x600x16bit color depth without using a graphics card, I would be very surprised if the Vampire2, with its FPGA running not only the Amiga core & 68k CPU core, plus also running some kind of graphics card emulation, could compete at all compared to an A2000 with a full 68060 and dedicated graphics card. The fact that it IS being compared to such hardware, makes the Apollo FPGA core(s) an amazing bit of programming work.

[ Edited by amigadave 29.07.2016 - 16:50 ]

> I would be very surprised if the Vampire2, with its FPGA running not only
> the Amiga core & 68k CPU core, plus also running some kind of graphics card
> emulation, could compete at all compared to an A2000 with a full 68060 and
> dedicated graphics card.

You can get the more complete picture there:

http://www.amigapodcast.com/2016/07/vampire-ii-amiga-600-vs-amiga-2000-with.html