The MIPS figure for the 68060 are still pretty impressive.
I have a project I am working on (not Amiga related) that uses a 20 MHz 68HC000 and the MIPs/MHz ratio is a fraction of the '060's figure.

But since I need the E output clock, an overclocked 68HC000 is the best option for me.

Sysspeed is well known, reliable benchmark.
Sysspeed works on almost every amiga configuration.
There ara many sysspeed results called modules on aminet.

>> What are the results of the other SysSpeed benchmarks?

> There ara many sysspeed results called modules on aminet.

Unless there're also ones with Vampire2/Apollo results, your answer to my question doesn't make sense.

"Happy" users of vampire post many screenshots from syspeed working on vampire.
Poor performance of vampire is no secret.
You just have to find it.

> "Happy" users of vampire post many screenshots from syspeed working on vampire.
> Poor performance of vampire is no secret. You just have to find it.

Why so secretive? Just give links to some of these "many screenshots" showing also SysSpeed benchmarks other than MIPS for Vampire2/Apollo.

It is easy to find. Just try.

> It is easy to find. Just try.

I did, and what I've found shows that Vampire/Apollo is way faster than 80 MHz 68060.

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you completely miss the point...

even if that would be true you are not able to get any 68060 80 Mhz accellerator out there or if only for a fortune

if you talk about economic choices then your nick is also wrong because buying embedded hardware at price of high-powered standard hardware makes no sense either

> embedded hardware

It's not, as I told you yesterday.

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yes it is a embedded system pretending to be desktop even beaten by any smartphone

so even if it has some features typical for desktop hardware when you look at processor, graphics and so on it is embedded class

perhaps we can agree it is a desktop mainboard with processors designed for embedded market

2 Core with 1.8 Ghz is nothing I would today take seriously for new hardware anymore. New PPC processors (if developed at all) are mostly targetting embedded market or you have IBM with their series. Freescale is obviously dropping PPC now.



[ Editiert durch OlafSch 10.06.2016 - 12:57 ]

> it is a embedded system

No, it's not. Please look up what the term means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_system

> pretending to be desktop

It does have features typical for desktop like RAM slot(s), SATA/USB/GbE, PCI/PCIe, audio (Tabor, Nemo) and HDMI (Tabor). It's not just pretending it has these.

> when you look at processor, graphics and so on it is embedded class

It's "just" the processor (CPU core) that is "embedded class". Graphics is provided by a desktop-class PCIe graphics card in a PEG slot. What does "and so on" mean?

> perhaps we can agree it is a desktop mainboard with processors
> designed for embedded market

Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying all along.

> Freescale is obviously dropping PPC now.

There has been no Freescale for a while.

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11100&forum=3

Yes, NXP is clearly in the process of dropping Power Architecture for new chips. According to their product longevity program, some Power Architecture chips will be available until 2029 (QorIQ) and 2031 (Qorivva), respectively.

13 years would be more than adequate for our purposes.
I would still love to see an e6500 based system (and a T10xx mini itx board would also be nice).

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I just check.
Google still exists and returns many pages with screenshots from sysspeed on vampire.
On all of them vampire is slower than 68060 80 MHz.
You have to use google again.

> Google [...] returns many pages with screenshots from sysspeed on vampire. On
> all of them vampire is slower than 68060 80 MHz. You have to use google again.

No matter how often I use Google, it will always return screenshots where Vampire2/Apollo is faster than 80 MHz 68060 in the benchmarks I asked you about.

http://www.google.com/search?q=sysspeed+vampire&tbm=isch

Google returns many pages with screenshots from sysspeed on vampire.
On all of them vampire is slower than 68060 80 MHz.
You have to use google again.
Hint: use words sysspeed vampire and then check pages.

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does it?

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=35

from december so the core is even faster now

I found a polish thread where the 95 Mips are mentioned... it seems to happen when you use higher resolutions and more colours. I remember discussions that it slows down the system a bit, I think related how it (RTG with framebuffer) is implemented in FPGA. But I assume they are already working on a solution to solve that problem. And you still miss the point... where is the 68060-80 accellerator with graphic card you can buy? And if something is offered on ebay it is in price range of a X64 high-equipped desktop or notebook. People are interested in upgrading their old amigas so there is no other option. And if making a realistic rational decision buying PPC would be as rational as buying a Vampire, wouldn´t it?



[ Editiert durch OlafSch 11.06.2016 - 19:39 ]

>>> Google [...] returns many pages with screenshots from sysspeed on vampire. On
>>> all of them vampire is slower than 68060 80 MHz. You have to use google again.

>> No matter how often I use Google, it will always return screenshots where
>> Vampire2/Apollo is faster than 80 MHz 68060 in the benchmarks I asked you about.
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=sysspeed+vampire&tbm=isch

> Google returns many pages with screenshots from sysspeed on vampire. On all of
> them vampire is slower than 68060 80 MHz. You have to use google again.
> Hint: use words sysspeed vampire and then check pages.

No matter how often I use Google, it will always return screenshots where Vampire2/Apollo is faster than 80 MHz 68060 in the benchmarks I asked you about.

http://www.google.com/search?q=sysspeed+vampire&tbm=isch

Dear Andreas You use google in wrong way.
In way You use google it not return single screenshot from sysspeed on vampire where vampire is faster than 68060 80 MHz.
You have to try again.

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then link one screenshot to proof your claims instead of lecturing Andreas

please...

and still you do not answer my comment...

please inform us where you can buy 68060 accellerators in the same price range as Vampire

[ Editiert durch OlafSch 12.06.2016 - 15:51 ]

When Vampire is connected to LCD by HD performance drop significantly below 68060 80 MHz.
And public core still has no fpu.
Is is cheaper than old cards but it is still slower.

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i already explained why this is the case... before it was a lot faster

I am pretty sure that they are already working on solutions to avoid that. Internal version already has FPU. It is WIP (Work in progress) they activate more and more features after being proved as working and stable

> You use google in wrong way. In way You use google it not return single screenshot from
> sysspeed on vampire where vampire is faster than 68060 80 MHz. You have to try again.

In the way I use Google, it returns many screenshots from SysSpeed on Vampire2/Apollo where Vampire is faster than 80 MHz 68060 in the benchmarks I asked you about. You have to use Google the right way.

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As others have said, the Vampire2 is still a "work in progress", on hardware that gets bigger, faster, and cheaper each year. The Vampire2 core can be moved to any other FPGA (unless I misunderstand how FPGA's work), so even if the Vampire2 isn't faster than the best 68060 accelerators for the Amiga of our past, it surely will be in the near future.

It seems to me that you have some axe to grind against Gunnar, which is why you try to discredit the benchmarks of the Apollo core and Vampire2 board. Gunnar does have a tendency to over hype things a bit from his days working on the Natami project and now on the Apollo team, but I don't think he does it for any malicious purpose to trick other users into buying anything. He is just very enthusiastic about his hobby work and wants approval and recognition from others in our community, so maybe he exaggerates some statements, from time to time.

Like many other Amiga users, I look forward to seeing how far the Apollo team can go with their work on duplicating, and possibly enhancing 680x0 performance using FPGA chips.

Just lend vampire from someone, do some test and You get that yet another time gunnar von boehn lie about performance.
It is still below 68060 80 MHz.
After many years of cheating, man years of false promises that soon natami/vampire will be faster than ppc , there is no progress in performance.
As in 2008 in 2016 68060 is faster than natami/vampire.
natami/vampire is 2 times slower than 19 years old p5 cards for amiga.
And even slower than good old HP PA-RISC 100 MHz used in some commodore prototypes.

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you repeat the same all the time... you miss the point

at least most comments of Vampire owners I read were very happy about it. It depends on expectations. I have written why it slowed down, before all benchmarks were faster. I even put a link with a screenshot showing that. You did not only repeating it. Now I say that (surprise surprise) modern hardware is cheaper and faster than your beloved PPC and all OS there are better usable because of more drivers and software. Both PPC (MorphOS and AmigaOS) and Vampire are pure hobby, why do you only bash Gunnar then and not a-eon/Hyperion or MorphOS team doing such stupid decisions from a business point of view? As Dave mentioned Gunnar has a tendency to overhype his work but at least they are now offering something people want to buy. You are not interested because being happy with your either ageing or overpriced new PPC hardware, me not too because I am happy using the modern hardware I already own for my purposes. But let others have their fun. Your crusade is becoming boring already, do something constructive and learn programming.

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=953467#post953467

Citat from a new Vampire owner:
"I am happy"

you should inform him that he has to be angry against gunnar and unhappy with it. He seems not to know



[ Editiert durch OlafSch 13.06.2016 - 12:02 ]