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I knew it. You are speaking about yourself.
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This is nonsense because you obviously only speak about G5 and lower. Why don't you give the same statement for an 68k processor, a C2D or an ARMv4?
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and AROS is a toy for the third one.
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You are speaking about yourself again. So why don't you get back to enjoy your toy instead of badmouthing here for another decade? Is AROS finished already? Or are you finished with AROS?

> badmouthing here for another decade

He registered here less than half a decade ago :-)

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If You read entire post You get that it is result in worse screen resolution that used on 060.
And in the same screen vampire results are much worse.

Olaf Schönweiss is well knowh powerpc hater.
Like others powerpc haters Olaf Schönweiss strogly believe
that if he make enough troubles amiga users will resign from use of better amiga than these made by commodore.

We have 29 july 2016. 20 years ago Microsoft release Windows NT 4.0 first modern windows with well know gui AND memory protection.

I don't understand why some idiots believe that we amiga users will be using shit like aros which is not compatible with old applications and has not memory protection.
When on pc we may just use windows.

> If You read entire post You get that it is result in worse
> screen resolution that used on 060.

Can you please quote the part that says this?

"Update

There was a suggestion from Gunnar von Boehn on the Apollo Forum, that for a test I should use the same resolution. So Vampire runs on Workbench 800x600x16bit like it was on the A2000. The result is even even worse.."

> "Update
> There was a suggestion from Gunnar von Boehn on the Apollo Forum, that for
> a test I should use the same resolution. So Vampire runs on Workbench
> 800x600x16bit like it was on the A2000. The result is even even worse.."

This was referring to the Cinema 4D benchmark, not SysSpeed. Besides, the Vampire2/Apollo was running the higher resolution, not the A2000/68060.

"You see clearly that the A2000 used 800x600 and the Vampire rendered on 1360x768."
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=71

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How can you expect any readers of this forum to believe any test results you post here, or provide links to, when you are so obviously obsessed about crusading against Gunnar and his project(s)?

The more messages you post, the more it makes you look like someone who needs psychiatric treatment, and possibly medical supervision to make sure you don't hurt yourself or others.

Ask yourself this question; why is that no one else is stepping forward to support your claims of non-performance, lies, and benchmarks that show the Vampire/Vampire2 projects to be useless scam products, intended to steal money from Amiga users? Why is it that so many Amiga users, and some Amiga programmers, are interested in buying, or have already purchased a Vampire, or Vampire2 board, and all of them appear to be very happy with their purchase, and the performance of the Apollo core(s)?

You stand alone crying wolf, while everyone else who is interested, is either already enjoying their Vampire/Vampire2 boards, or waiting for their Vampire2 board to be produced and shipped to them.

I don't really care what caused this (apparent) sickness you seem to be suffering from, but one has to wonder what happened to push you over the edge, and onto this path of less than sane behavior?

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I won't waste my time looking up the forum post he is referring to, but since the A2000 does not support a screen resolution of 800x600x16bit color depth without using a graphics card, I would be very surprised if the Vampire2, with its FPGA running not only the Amiga core & 68k CPU core, plus also running some kind of graphics card emulation, could compete at all compared to an A2000 with a full 68060 and dedicated graphics card. The fact that it IS being compared to such hardware, makes the Apollo FPGA core(s) an amazing bit of programming work.

[ Edited by amigadave 29.07.2016 - 16:50 ]

> I would be very surprised if the Vampire2, with its FPGA running not only
> the Amiga core & 68k CPU core, plus also running some kind of graphics card
> emulation, could compete at all compared to an A2000 with a full 68060 and
> dedicated graphics card.

You can get the more complete picture there:

http://www.amigapodcast.com/2016/07/vampire-ii-amiga-600-vs-amiga-2000-with.html

Oh dear Dave You have problem with Your nerves.
Get some rest.
It is of course no secret that natami/vampire/apollo in higher resolutions suffers from a lack of bandwidth.
And in higher resolution performance of natami/vampire/apollo really drop.
Below 68060 80 MHz.
There is no reason to use natami/vampire/apollo in 640x480 8bit.
All test should be made at least at 800x600 16 bit.

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Since 90% of all software ever written for the original Amiga was written to use 640x480 8bit, or LOWER resolutions and color depths, it certainly makes the MOST sense to test the Vampire boards and Apollo cores at such resolutions and color bit depths.

You make no sense! In your lame attempts to discredit the Vampire & Vampire2 boards, you clearly don't know what other Amiga users want to use them for. Do you even own or use any Amiga, or Amiga inspired computers or software with emulation any more?

Please go back to your Windows and Unix/Linux forums, and stop this nonsense criticizing something you have no interest in ever buying, and cannot objectively evaluate, due to your irrational feelings and behavior toward Gunnar. The only thing you are doing here is making a fool of yourself. I am done wasting my time replying to anything you have to say. If this site had a blocking feature, I would put you on the list, so I wouldn't have to see any more of your nonsense postings.

[ Edited by amigadave 31.07.2016 - 06:01 ]

Dear Dave You desperate try to convice that crap is not crap, but the the truth is vampire is crap.

There are so many software for amiga which benefit from use of hi or true color, which makes idea of test in 8 bit only extremelly stupid.

New hardware in 2016 should be able to use LCD in native resolutions which are much larger than 800x600 and if this natami/apollo/vampire crap has problems with bandwith even on 800x600 16 bit it means natami/apollo/vampire is worth nothing crap.

Natami/apollo/vampire crap is bigest scam in amiga community.

Natami crap was announced in 2008 as "amiga which commodore made if survive"
But after many years of lies and false promises gunnar von boehn has crap which is slower than 68060 80 MHz, slower than some Commodore prototypes and almost two times slower than 19 years old ppc cards for amiga.



[ Edited by ppcamiga1 01.08.2016 - 00:34 ]

> slower than some Commodore prototypes

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11037&start=267

Hombre of course. natami/apollo/vampire crap is slower than good old 7100 100 MHz PA-RISC.

> Hombre of course.

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11037&start=271

Yes of course.

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Do not waste your time on him... he is not understanding and will never understand. There are already 200 cards delivered and lots more ordered, after version for A600 new cards for A500 and A1200 in preparation and I think there are also plans to support the big boxes. In amiga terms it is a very successful project and obviously satisfying a real need, all customers I read of are very happy. And if "never-buyers" like him like the project or not is completely irrelevant.

>> Hombre made it to prototype stage?

> Yes of course.

Any references to back this up?

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Use google.

Olaf Schickelgruber aka Schönweiss is well known powerpc hater.

Natami/vampire/apollo crap was announced many years ago as revolution in amiga, but after many years of lies performance of Natami/vampire/apollo crap is still little slower than 68060.

It is sad that phase5 20 years ago made faster cards for amiga.

>>>> Hombre made it to prototype stage?

>>> Yes of course.

>> Any references to back this up?

> Use google.

I take this as a 'no'. Using Google I've found no indication of an actual working Hombre prototype. It was all 'on paper', or maybe even simulation.

> performance of Natami/vampire/apollo crap is still little slower than 68060.

Depends on 68060 clock rate.

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Yes, I am done with that idiot. I just wish there were a block function on this forum, so I could turn it on and never see any of his ridiculous posts again.

Like the FPGA Arcade Replay boards before the Vampire (and by a different person), I wish that both groups/persons responsible for arranging the manufacturing of those products would design and produce them using the cheapest and fastest production methods available, so the users who want to buy them did not have to wait for one or two people to hand assemble every board.

Once the cores for either product are stable enough to release to the general public, then it would be great if they were mass produced in batches of at least 100 to 200 at a time, and available for purchase from all the remaining Amiga retail outlets, who are set up better for distribution and shipping to all countries.

Maybe we would see one or two thousand boards already sold, instead of only a couple hundred for the Vampire 1 & 2 boards, and I think less than that for the FPGA Arcade Replay boards. I don't even see any news about the FPGA Arcade Replay board anymore, so I don't know if that project has been abandoned, or if MikeJ is still working on it and plans to release the daughter board with the socket for a real 68060, Ethernet port, additional USB ports, etc.

FPGA Amiga projects are obviously very popular these days and demand for them is far above current production capabilities of the people working on them. Just think of the possibilities if either product were cheaply available with no waiting, and how much faster they could improve, if they open sourced their core code, so they would get many more people working on fine tuning the emulation and adding the proposed SAGA features? Okay, not open source the 68060 core code, as that might have some commercial value, once they get it working well enough to replace real 680x0 chips in embedded products that still use such chips, if there is still any demand for any 680x0 chips, and if higher performance is even needed in those embedded applications.

I would just like to see any of these projects go beyond the 200 to 300 user base, by exciting a few thousand former Amiga users, and bringing them back to our community, with an interesting, new, powerful (in Amiga terms), and fun little hacker board, plus the already planned for accelerators for different models of the Commodore Amiga.

I for one would want a board similar to the Raspberry Pi, but using the tech that the Dennis VanWereen, Mike J. & the Apollo Team, have created on FPGA, instead of the ARM architecture. With the progress the Apollo Team has made creating a soft core P96 display, plus the already stable and fairly accurate emulation of the Amiga custom chips that is running on the MiniMig, Mist, Chameleon, Arcade Replay & Vampire1&2, plus the 680x0 soft core from the Apollo Team, I can envision a stand alone board being available in the not too distant future, that will be only slightly bigger, and more power hungry, than the original Raspberry Pi board.

Put the right size FPGA on it to allow a few extra input/output pins, and let the Amiga community create all kinds of great applications and uses for it, using the much more familiar and friendly AmigaOS3.x, that the user base refuses to let go of, after 30 years.

[ Edited by amigadave 01.08.2016 - 16:58 ]

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I think you've way overdone it with this 'Schickelgruber' comparison! It's about computers after all...

Also I don't understand this mentality of mutual exclusion which is unfortunately rather common in the Amiga community. I use both, classic Amigas and PPC Amigas, so what? If some day MorphOS gets ported to x86 should I hate it because it's neither 680x0 or PPC?