> HP PA-RISC 100 MHz used in some commodore prototypes

Hombre made it to prototype stage?

Is it even important that it's faster than a 060? I mean, you get a small, not Zorro dependent accelerator, gfx card and sound card all in one for only 150€. Even if it gets "only" as fast as a 060@50 MHz it will still be a bargain. Not to mention how hot a 060 gets.

The Vampire will play DOOM and MP3 files just fine.

[edit] But all the screenshots I've seen shows it's faster than the 060. I can't find proof of otherwise. Can you please provide some links?

[ Edited by Yasu 13.06.2016 - 13:04 ]

You must have a lot of time on your hands now you're no longer HyperionMP eh Ben? ;)

> no longer HyperionMP

AFAIK, Ben Hermans is still both a shareholder and a director of Hyperion Entertainment CVBA. Or are you referring to the "HyperionMP" corporate account on Amiga-related forum sites?

> all the screenshots I've seen shows it's faster than the 060.

Same here.

> I can't find proof of otherwise. Can you please provide some links?

I'll be sore if he gives you any links. Everytime I asked him for links he just said I'd have to improve my Google-fu ;-)

"...have an axe to grind with Gunnar..."

You'd have to get to know the guy.
He can be pretty easy to NOT get along with.

And, until now, he has spent years touting developments that were never released to the public.

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if you refer to Natami the apollo core was started for Natami project so time is not wasted

in opposite to most others who just talked he finally delivered. Sometimes he is a little too overoptimistic and even euphoric about his projects and certainly also sometimes arrogant but nevertheless he delivered and at least the Vampire customers posting are all happy with it and happy with progress. That the Natami project never became reality had much to do with attitudes of the developer behind it, but that is past. Two components from this project used in Vampire are the apollo core and the chipset replacement developed for Natami.

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No one is more surprised than me that "he finally delivered".
I can ignore the attitude, it kind of reminds me of Jens'.

@Jim

Yes both are very skilled developers but would need someone for PR

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Having met both these men in person at past AmiWest shows, I would have to disagree fairly strongly with that statement, unless you want to narrow it down to a few similar sub-sets of their attitudes and give examples.

For my example, I have never seen or heard of Jens "over hyping" any of his projects, with enthusiastic over the top, or overly optimistic predictions or statements in forum threads, or in person. If you are referring to occasions when both have displayed arrogant behavior, I think that many/most really good developers have a superiority complex to some degree or other.

Edit: I admire both men for their talent and for continuing to work on and produce products for our tiny community.

[ Edited by amigadave 13.06.2016 - 14:39 ]

> Having met both these men in person at past AmiWest shows

Gunnar "BigGun" von Boehn was at AmiWest? Which year was that?

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You know my memory is very faulty, specially for dates of events that weren't that special for me to remember (not meaning that meeting Gunnar wasn't special), so I may be wrong on this, but I believe it was the 2013 AmiWest that Gunnar attended.

Edit: I'll be embarrassed if I have confused Gunnar with someone else, but that might be the case. I may be thinking of one of the AROS programmers, instead of Gunnar, now that I think about it more. Getting older is so much fun.

[ Edited by amigadave 13.06.2016 - 23:13 ]

>> Gunnar "BigGun" von Boehn was at AmiWest? Which year was that?

> I may be wrong on this, but I believe it was the 2013 AmiWest that Gunnar attended.
> Edit: I'll be embarrassed if I have confused Gunnar with someone else, but that
> might be the case. I may be thinking of one of the AROS programmers, instead of
> Gunnar, now that I think about it more.

You mean Jason "Ezrec" McMullan who attended AmiWest in person in 2012 (together with Samuel "Samurai_Crow" Crow) and via video conference in 2013?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3d5qR-Hv8 (24:05)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpQO7XSfAv4

I can't remember ever reading anything about Gunnar attending AmiWest.

@amigadave

you mix him with Jason obviously

I have high respect of Jens regarding his skills but I have seen him posting several times downtalking any possible competition (he tried that with Gunnar too). Latest of Jens was his "friendly email" regarding P96 that was published lately (unfortunately for him). Some praise him as a kind of hardware god doing everything just for altruism, but he is not, he is nothing else than a small businessman doing everything for profit and fearing someone else (f.e. hobby developers) could take away from his cake. That is how he presents himself in the community. Gunnar can be very arrogant too, so in a way they have similarities in their personality. And because of that I wrote they would need PR people.

@AmigaDave

Are you going to Amiwest this year? I'm going to try to make it again this year. Maybe I'll even have a Vampire 500 to demonstrate. BTW, check your PM.

Natami was announced in 2008 as something faster than ppc.
After many years of lies and false promises this crap is still two times slower than slowest ppc cards for amiga.
Slower than commodore protypes.
And also slower than uae from year 2000 on pc from year 2000.
I know, some peple don't like bitter truth.
But it's a really big disappointment.

> Natami was announced in 2008 as something faster than ppc.

...than *certain* PPC. The fastest PPC is several hundred times as fast as the slowest PPC.

> this crap is [...] Slower than commodore protypes.

Which ones?

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It is obviously a big disappointment for you, but not a disappointment for most other Amiga users. In fact, you are one of only a few people I have seen complain about the performance that has been shown running 68k benchmarks and software on FPGA.

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Yes, see the thread I started for 2016 AmiWest Show. PM answered

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he is not a buyer or user of it anyway and despite that complaining. I have read not a single buyer who were disappointed and if you are selling something buyers are much more important than people complaining who would never buy your product. The funny thing is... the same person is praising PPC instead what is in my view as "illogical" as the preference for 68k and vampire. Intead he should use standard hardware and a modern OS instead if he really insists on benchmarking and making comparationss.

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if you talk sbout "crap" and making benchmarks then somehow I think of PPC. There were benchmarks comparing Javascript browser performance and all PPC platforms were devasteted by both Aros X86 (newest OWB version with JIT) and all modern platforms including all sort of smartphones. I know that this is not only caused by the processor but also by the lack of software support in todays world but whatever caused it, PPC is nothing else than a toy in todays terms, if you like it or nor. I can give you the link to the benchmarks if you ask to.

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Do you realize that you even quoted him as saying that a 16 years old x86-based computer running emulation is faster than a Vampire? I do not think he needs a lesson in the type of performance one can expect with this hardware architecture...

Also, have you even noticed that he only mentioned PowerPC in the context of other accelerator cards that are compatible with Commodore Amiga hardware, which seems like a rather obvious and fitting point of reference when you discuss Vampire?

For people who do not care about emulation, it does not matter how fast a Xeon processor is as long as you cannot stick one in your A600. And for those who like software emulation, ppcamiga1 already established that even a very old PC should be a fine.

So, what was the point of your rant again?

that someone praising one toy is talking down another toy

PPC is not modern or competitive in 2016

So Vampire is a toy for one group, PPC a toy for another. And still he nerves with his postings

Regardless of your opinion, a PPC will run circles around a 68K OR the Vampire.
And running under Linux my 2.5 Quad core G5 is quite capable of keeping up with so called "modern" machines.

A "toy"?
By no ones definition but your own and you are begining to sound like an idiot.
Do you really think major companies would be investing in Power8 hardware if it was a "toy"?

Not only do you sound like an idiot, but an uninformed idiot as well.

[ Edited by Jim 17.06.2016 - 12:48 ]

> You use google in wrong way. In way You use google it not return single screenshot from
> sysspeed on vampire where vampire is faster than 68060 80 MHz. You have to try again.

68060 at 60 MHz: 79.68 MIPS (= 106.24 MIPS at 80 MHz)
Vampire2 with Apollo SILVER7: 112.95 MIPS

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uysGt3X9OQA/V4XzeqVZuwI/AAAAAAAAPEQ/0mwJghvwSdMovJsoOquhWuYWKKU1_T9WQCLcB/s1600/SysSpeed_A2000_4.png
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vqobh_sQl60/V4X6OXw_5-I/AAAAAAAAPGE/I9RrucLt69YlbKs6MJ5osb2pAUDhTLN0gCLcB/s1600/VampireII_C7_SysSpeed_4.png