Some more info...
http://www.sasg.com/mui/mui-mos-statement.txt





[ Edited by liquidbit on 2005/1/20 17:33 ]

Sounds like Stunzi has his head on straight.
What about the rest of the leaders in Mos Development?

well, any chance we'll get the mos tcp stack ? im sick and tired of lousy transfer rates and miami buffer
overflow's or whatever it is when using ctorrent.
Copying files between my xbox and pc at 9000k/s and on morphos is pathetic 1500k/s :(

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Indeed, you never know!

first real positive statement we've heard for ages. Sounds quite enigmatic though.

I don't know that I speak for everyone...but wouldn't we be willing to pay for a MOS MUI upgrade to 4.0? Is MUI tied into the boot.img? Or can it be updated externally?


[ Edited by DSLCC on 2005/1/20 12:29 ]

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Stuntz has always been a clever guy, proving it once again with this message for the public.

He says it's not necessarily over yet. I just hope everyone else also has or comes back to that viewpoint.

I was worried that Hyperion might be negotiating for exclusivity as they have for other stuff (DOPUS?) IIRC. But that's not the case apparently, and stuntzi says he prefers everybody have the latest MUI.

Thanks for shining a ray of sunlight, stuntzi.

The big question is why fight over this, let him sell MUI for shareware to the Amiga public. The only thing Amiga has that Morph doesn't have is the name. You got better Hardware, to a better price.

IMHO it would be better to relese Morph 1.5, let stunts sell MUI for himself. Even if it will harm MorphOS some that even Amiga can get the latest MUI it can't harm Morph more than no more relese.

Stefan does have his head screwed on straight. Here is an email we recently sent him:

From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck <bbrv@genesi.lu>
Date: January 13, 2005 10:12:52 AM CST
To: Stefan Stuntz
Subject: for the record

Stefan, there seems to be some confusion on the part of others about our discussions related to the future of MorphOS.

For the record, we were agreeable to the terms we worked out with you. We do acknowledge the value of your work and saw your future involvement as essential.

Unfortunately, we no longer felt comfortable with the development in general thus it made little sense to invest further into the effort. If we had we would have paid you.

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill

===========

There are other issues. First, what Ralph thinks and secondly, how the developer community is managed going ahead. All must recognize that MorphOS is more than an "open source" development and after we had financial troubles it was difficult to "manage" anything. Under the circumstances Ralph did a good job.

Here is what we had to say about this subject to a journalist this morning:

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We may learn something from this experience. Of course, if there was plenty of money there would have been no problems for MorphOS (and maybe even the governance of it, but sadly this was not the case.

We still stand by our "Brainstorming" post. Maybe something can be salvaged.

R&B

P.S. As for the latest addition to MorphOS.net this has proven to be false too. Nate posted HERE.

I'd really appreciate what you both have done for MOS in the positive way BBRV, but same on the negative... as I told you one year ago, you should have been less comunicative to us users in forums telling your own opinions and ideas about mos1.5 but should have spoken more to the devs. There was a lot of bad blood and false rumours which were getting more and more of some false steps of you. Sorry to say that, but thats my point of view not only lately. As I said... you did a great work and I sure think you like to see MOS + PEG as a rising star, but prob is to much false given hopes, to selfish, conceited and bone-headed devs... btw. you really think that RS will give out MOS for free?? I never think so.. he made it obvious: he would rather die for... and his hatres for aos4 (or call it hyperion os) is their victory = "no further mos without exclusive mui"

@Genesi,

Why post this now? It is totally meaningless
considering the current situation. 6 Months ago would have
made someone like myself far less cynical about your business plans
and management skills... The Pegasos II is a great machine. I have
know doubts about its capabilities... my only concern is that many
have lost all faith in The management of Genesi. Your overall image
must be fixed, but not with words... with action.

Ayo Stephenson

@bbrv
please TA GUEULE !
and go away...

@Sas


... And how does that statement Help?.



BBRV are in the middle of the
mess and trully only they can clean it up. The truth (as I see it) is
that only bbrv &/or Laire have the ability to begin the clean-up. The
choice is theirs and no one elses. If the core of Mos development is
to progress then Genesi must find a way to bring the core back
together. this takes much humility on their part... and that is why I
feel it will not happen. BBRV & Laire, please prove me
wrong.

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Remember that sentence.

--Aaron

>The truth (as I see it) is that only bbrv &/or laire
>have the ability to begin the clean-up.

This clean-up has already started with a clear
cut.

Sometimes it's better to come to an end than
discussing the whole situation for years which
only costs time and does lead to nowhere.

Of course such a cut does not mean that in the
future, after some time has passed, a new
beginning is impossible.

@Zacman,

But what about building trust?
As a company owner, I would hate to be in a situation
where my integrity could be questioned. Genesi has such
a long list of "contractual" failures that it is difficult
for many to take them serious, even though they have great
hardware. Now that everything is in the open, some think that
a clean swipe is enough. Unfortunately work must be done
to show "ethical" progress. otherwise they will continue to
repeat these scenerios in the linux world, making money, yet
never being able to get the recognition/$$ their technical skills
deserve.

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Exactly. There are now two options to end this:

a) Let MorphOS die this disgracefull death and be ridiculed as the bunch of amateurs who couldn't even work together well enough to give out a product when it was only a matter of a short time it could be done.

b) Finish MorphOS to a point where it tries to meet the quality-level of other hobby os's, and then leave it there being happy that you were part of something special, and be proud of yourself doing it.

@hooligan

That about sums up the options. :)

By the way, in AROS mailing list a message appeared about that AROSTCP, an AmiTCP 3.0b2 port, is integrated into CVS. Also there are words "when running it" which assumes that port is functional! Probably this can be a good base for making MorphOS version.
I had a dream to try to do it. Unfortunately i have no time.

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@hooligan

I know just what you mean, to get MorphOS that last step to where it is a basically complete OS product. Although 1.4 was really good, it had missing things and some parts weren't quite right. The product needs that next step to be complete. If MOS team still had to quit then, then they could look back in 20 years and say "ah but look at that great thing we did" instead "ah, it is a shame we never quite finished that great thing."

I had a German teacher Uli Fröhlich who told me once how important it was to "complete the thought." I was a young man who had plenty of bold ideas but a short attention span, so few of my ideas ever came to fruition. Uli told me I must complete the thought and I always remember this. It's one of the differences between dreamers and people who accomplish great things.

What MOS team members need to do is complete the thought.

@bbrv:

> Unfortunately, we no longer felt comfortable with the development in general thus it made little sense to invest further into the effort. If we had we would have paid you.

Why don't you just shut the f*ck up and keep your pathetic excuses to yourself for the mess you're responsible for now.

Yeah! Come ooon!
LOL