> I just noticed from Acube's site that the Sam 440EP is out of production.

Sam440ep-flex still available at 667 and 733 MHz from ACube:

https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/5-sam-motherboards

I don't know if those are just remaining stock, though.

> It would be a good alternative to Pegasos 2

Performance-wise, the Pegasos 2 wipes the floor even with the fastest Sam440.

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I've not seen a Peg2 for sale for a couple of years now, which is a shame as I'd like to have one to play with OS4 and compare it with MOS on the same hardware.

I regret not buying one when they were new now but I had other priorities at the time. :/

>> Performance-wise, the Pegasos 2 wipes the floor even with the fastest Sam440.

> I'd like to have one to play with OS4 and compare it with MOS on the same hardware.

One would imagine you'd be an avid proponent of the Sam460 port then :-)

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I'm neither for nor against it mate, it costs far too much than I'm willing to pay for a machine.

If a cheap Peg2 came my way on the other hand......

Here is one Pegasos for sale:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genesi-Pegasos-2-NextGen-Amiga-PPC-Can-run-MorphOS-3-2-Linux-OS-X-MacOS-etc-/261264829208?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3cd498eb18

However, it doesn't seem possible to buy AOS 4.1 for Pegasos anymore. At least not in the Amiga online stores I looked.

> it doesn't seem possible to buy AOS 4.1 for Pegasos anymore. At least not in the
> Amiga online stores I looked.

It seems to be available from those stores:

Amedia
AmiStore
Gentle Eye
Relec


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https://twitter.com/acubesystems/status/514136120343666688

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https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/software/51-amigaos-41-for-sam-boards.html
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=862

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 25.10.2014 - 20:50 ]

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Well spotted, thanks! Shame I'm too skint to buy it at the moment though.

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That's not a problem for me.

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Well I mean this very first model anyway,
http://acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=1
yep the 440EP Flex models are available.

Of course a Peg2 is faster than a SAM and to me Peg2 is the ultimate machine it can run everything.

But in the case of a MorphOS port on Sam440 / 460 Sam would be the newer hardware available to be abel to run both AmigaOS 4.1 and MorphOS and this would be the big difference with Macs. Just this. Macs are faster and cheaper but unable to run both OSes only by this point of view a port to 440 / 460 would be interesting.

And I want to say this. The rule about the Mac "cheap" machines is not a standard. To buy a used PPC Mac for a cheap price I got to buy it from ebay or from abroad. In Greece this cheap price is not always an option. In this case -buying from abroad- the cheap is becoming expensive. Why? Because of the postage... And you have to be anxious if the machine would come stable and working and not broken.

The same goes for all those Radeon cards needed for MorphOS. Have you tried to locate a Radeon Mac edition and check the prices on ebay?

I wanted a Powerbook the higher model and the general price I located back on the day when I was searching was 400 euros (ebay etc) for a great quality machine. Well this is not cheap.

I know that everyone would shoot me on the face for this and would post 1000 links of cheap products on ebay now. But I wish I would have the option to buy all this stuff deadly cheap from my country -as many of you describe on your posts- and not from the other part of the planet.

The exception in this case could be the Mac Mini.

I love MorphOS port on the PowerMacs and I will support it till the end but with those last words I wanted to express my personal experience about the cheap used Apple hardware. Well this is not a rule.


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> Our original plans to support 460 got massively delayed already and even there is quite
> some low level work still ahead. With all the additional issues showing up in public [...],
> it's not even sure if that will ever see the light of day anytime soon

I stumbled upon an interesting statement:

"I found a guy from IBM which is a kind of ppc guru. He told me that the main cause of problems is the cpu itself (AMCC 460ex), as it lacks cache coherency."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37083&forum=33&start=20#718922

And I have found what reads like the original statements from the IBM guy:

"for the 460EX, I am not surprised things aren't working with KMS & DRI2... the 460 is not cache coherent"
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2012-February/019157.html

"You will run into additional problems with 460 due to the fact that it's not cache coherent for DMA."
http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2012-March/096888.html

"DMA on 46x isn't cache coherent. The DRM plays interesting games with mapping/unmapping pages for DMA by the chip and I don't think we have the right hooks to do the appropriate cache flushing on these guys"
http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2012-March/096925.html

Is this contributing to the porting difficulty? I remember that Piru once said that MorphOS required cache coherency which he presented as reason that MorphOS couldn't be ported to MPC512x. If a MorphOS port to PPC460EX lacking cache coherency is possible, would that mean that a port to MPC512x is possible as well?

> just stay away from aw.net and amigans.net that way you avoid most of the looney tunes nutters.

With this opinion you're in good company apparently:

"the forums of AmigaWorld and Amigans.net [...] are mostly dominated by trolls and bad attitude anyway."
http://hkvalhea1-500.blogspot.com/2013/09/its-not-about-obsession.html

;-)

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lol

You know a place is run by rabid fanboys when they ban the likes of Chief Hyperion Cheerleader Helgis. ;)

> Chief Hyperion Cheerleader Helgis. ;)

His more recent article on another blog doesn't sound so cheering anymore:

http://hkvalhe.blogspot.com/2013/10/lack-of-faith.html

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i can't believe you wasted time reading that... just like i did (didn't go through all of it though)

> i can't believe you wasted time reading that...

I didn't find it a complete waste of time considering he shared the following about the Amiga Inc. vs. Hyperion lawsuit:

"Hyperion Entertainment had to pay as much as around 2-300.000 (!) EUR for laywers and other things [...]. The 2-300.000 EUR could have helped several important developments rise to completion, and we wouldn't be talking about AmigaOS 4 these days, but rather AmigaOS 5 already! This is a very important fact that wasn't wanted for the public to know, but i feel it's important to be completely honest to the community."

This is just a ballpark figure, but I can't remember any such sum being reported before by anyone. And to me it doesn't sound as if he's just guessing. I reckon he may have been told about it by the Friedens he's been in frequent communication with.

"i am about to consider making what would probably be my most difficult choice ever - To continue staying with the Amiga or leaving it."

Please God don't let him come over to "the blue side". lol

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mentioned in April, 2013

But lawsuits is plural in this claim.

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> mentioned in April, 2013

Ah, thanks. Must have missed (or forgotten) that.

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@Andreas_Wolf

fyi:

"AresOne PPC is SAM460 based so it is a bit too early for morphOS yet but as soon it is ready than yes."

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6905&start=2

> "AresOne PPC is SAM460 based so it is a bit too early for morphOS yet but as
> soon it is ready than yes."
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6905&start=2

I read this, thanks anyway. Somehow I doubt phoenixkonsole knows any more about MorphOS on the Sam460 than we do from pega-1.


Edit: He now admits that he considers MorphOS for Sam460 to be a matter of believe:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=751500

Uh, thanks for not posting a link to that entire thread Andreas.
I don't think my response to his stated belief was too kind.

And Frank's work with the SAM460 probably will bear some fruit later on if they port MorphOS to PCIe G5s.

@Jim

I think otherwise ...

PCIe itself ain't an issue (and MorphOS has been shown on the iMac-G5 with PCIe quite some time before anything SAM) and the GFX-cards used in the SAM460 probraly won't be found in any PCIe based PMac G5.

>> Frank's work with the SAM460 probably will bear some fruit later on if they port MorphOS
>> to PCIe G5s.

> the GFX-cards used in the SAM460 probraly won't be found in any PCIe based PMac G5.

Agreed. It could be done the other way round, though: support PCIe graphics cards that are compatible with PowerMac G5 (i.e. up to Radeon X1900), and then use the same cards in x86 ROM version in the Sam460.

@ Kronos and Andreas,

I wholly agree that you both have points.

But the last time Frank mentioned it, he was using an X1300 in the SAM and the G5 PCIe models support the X1900GT.
They are both R500 based.

And the current development trajectory would seem to point in that direction.

But we're getting ahead of ourselves if we start discussing future developments.

The PCIe G5s seem like the next natural step, but just because something is done to explore an idea, it does not mean it will reach the end users.

How long ago did Frank mention the G5 iMac?

@Jim

The iMac (mine actually) has been shown on one Geit@home this year and another in 2011, so thats atleast 2.5 years.
I also kinda remember Frank posting a screenshot somewhat shortly after bigfoot got the G5 tower booting 1st time in late 2010.

So yes, initial iMac port was done long before SAM460 ever got mentioned.

As to supporting R600s, one has to ask wether this is a just a simple framebuffer which is rather trivial compared with a proper driver.

Other than those rare (and still unsupported) R600s those PCIe-PMacs offer very little compared to the faster AGP models.

> the last time Frank mentioned it, he was using an X1300 in the SAM

Interesting. Thanks for info.

> How long ago did Frank mention the G5 iMac?

Short of 3 years ago the first time in public, as Kronos said:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7638&start=46