Several people reported it when I asked. Some got new boards (like me, but it still worked poorly though better than before. It was still unusuable) and some returned them in anger. I think the thread was in amiga.org, but I'm not sure anymore. I do remember some people bashing me for mentioning this problem because "one simply must not talk bad about anything AOS4 related." It pissed me off and made me sell my AOS system.

Though, the guy who bought my system said that it was much more stable after a couple of more updates so they must be getting somewhere. Poor drivers is much simpler to solve than faulty memory sockets of course.

I'm not saying this to trash talk A-cube. I admire their effort and they are good and helpful guys. But a problem is a problem and should be adressed honestly. On their hand they should bundle RAM with their board. On the otger hand some fanatican AOS4 users should help people when they have problems and not telling them to shut up.

>> do you know of any other public reports from users that have experienced this
>> memory socket problem on their Sam460ex? I ask because I can't remember
>> having ever heard of this before.

> Several people reported it when I asked. Some got new boards (like me, but it still
> worked poorly though better than before. It was still unusuable) and some returned
> them in anger. I think the thread was in amiga.org, but I'm not sure anymore.

I must have missed this on amiga.org or wherever this thread ran. The only related thread with you participating I could find on amiga.org consists of your opening post and no reply whatsoever:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61252

I guess this isn't what you meant then ;-) So if you stumble upon the real thread, please leave me a note here in this thread. Thanks.

> the guy who bought my system said that it was much more stable after a couple of more
> updates [...]. Poor drivers is much simpler to solve than faulty memory sockets of course.

I'm surprised that a problem like faulty memory sockets can be cured in software at all.

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I am not a MorphOS user yet even though I could imagine (even if that means to buy something from Apple ). On the other hand I could never imagine to buy AmigaOS, not only because of the high price but also because of the fanatism of its supporters. They seem to be occupied by their strange idea of being "true" because of using old code, "amiga" icon-set and naming. Just a couple of days ago I was attacked because I use "copyrighted" icon-sets and he immediately threatened me legally. I do not use "holy" amiga-icons from amigaos and just with permission. MorphOS user and developer are mostly more relaxed and thus not so fanatic (that is much more sympathic).

> Just a couple of days ago I was attacked because I use "copyrighted" icon-sets and
> he immediately threatened me legally.

"I assume correct permissions and licenses have been obtained to embed in the OS or otherwise stored and accessed."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37959&forum=47&start=40#714764

Where is the attack let alone the legal threat?

how would you interpret this?

"Excuse if I am wrong but the screenshot at post 1 shows copyrighted icons. I assume correct permissions and licenses have been obtained to embed in the OS or otherwise stored and accessed. "

@Andreas_Wolf

I can't remember where now. If I find where, I will post here.

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I meant that even when I got a working board, it was still a useless system due to it's unfinished drivers and such. That problem they can fix over time, and it seems they are making progress. But I bought the SAM460 expecting a working system so I lost patience almost immediately.

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If I am not mistaken those are from the Ken's Icons set not Amiga OS nor OS4. I would just ignore djrikki, he's one of those sorts that didn't use an Amiga for 20 years and then came back not so long ago as a defender of the holy name.

@OlafSch

The argument of legacy I don't really understand. Especially considering that the same people who proclaim only AmigaOS 4 is the true successor because of old 3.1 code are more than happy to bash Windows for having a LOT of legacy code from the MSDOS/Win3.1 era and beyond.

AmigaOS 4 is not bad. I just think MorphOS is noticably better.

Yes and I have the permission to use them. He mentioned the first screenshot where some "old-style 3.1." were visible. They were shown as replacement because my def_ icons were not recognized by the icon library and propably used by the lib as replacement. But instead of asking he went to attack. There are other examples of people using icons or themes and immediately attacked by "supporters" and even named "thieves". When I said he should stop that because it is untrue another AmigaOS user popped up and started to attack me. That is this fanatism that I dislike.

> how would you interpret this?

I interpret this as an advice that your usage of icons requires permission from the author and as an assumption that you got that permission. No need to read more into that, really.
In any case, while calling the advice and the assumption in your favour an attack is probably subject to personal opinion, the alleged legal threat is something you just made up to make a certain group of people look bad, which in the end makes only you look bad.

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Easiest solution is to just stay away from aw.net and amigans.net that way you avoid most of the looney tunes nutters.

It would be unfair to claim such things don't happen in our camp too ...

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=36326&forum=2

[ Edited by Yasu 15.08.2013 - 17:18 ]

I see it this way and there are other examples. I do not need to make a "group look bad" how you write. I was so angry that I slept bad in that night. And even if you cannot say it was "just a comment" because that is untrue. But everyone can have his own opinion.

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and there was the example of ClusterUK using icons in "amigaos-style" but with permissions. And that are just the "visual" examples I can remember.

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OS4 is not as bad as some people make out, it's just not as good as MorphOS.

It also has some very strange design decisions that are totally alien to Amiga.

Getting back on topic, I think the SAM460 port of MOS will prove that OS4 is inferior on the same hardware just as the Peg2 port of OS4 did.

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It's probably just a language barrier issue.

As a native English speaker that comment from djrikki didn't look like a direct threat and even an implied threat would be pushing the limits of interpretation.

> I see it this way

You obviously like to see legal threats where there are none.

> there are other examples.

I'm talking about the one incident you referred to in this thread.

> I do not need to make a "group look bad" how you write.

Then why do you allege a legal threat where there clearly was none as everybody can see?

> And even if you cannot say it was "just a comment" because that is untrue.

Sorry, I don't understand this sentence. Can you please rephrase it?

> everyone can have his own opinion.

Exactly. My opinion is that you like to make things up for a certain purpose.

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last comment on this topic... wrong link because it was started by someone with "I love using Amiga OS4.1 on my A1-X1000 & Sam440" in his profil.

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I have written my last comment on this. And your personal negative view on me is ok for me, I must not necessarily like your views and not that of me.

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It's threads like those that keep me away from that place.

Here's an OS4ish theme for MOS to drive them all crazy! ;)

http://www.five-star.com/kens_icons/downloads/imaz_MOS.lha

> I have written my last comment on this.

You could have used it to answer my questions :-)

> your personal negative view on me is ok for me

Fine. I use to judge people by their actions. And in my book, alleging bad actions that never happened is a bad action in itself.

> I must not necessarily like your views

Yes, I can very well imagine that you don't like my view on fabricating legal threats.

> Here's an OS4ish theme for MOS to drive them all crazy! ;)
> http://www.five-star.com/kens_icons/downloads/imaz_MOS.lha

Or this one:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8568&forum=3&start=3

> I can't remember where now. If I find where, I will post here.

Thanks.

>> I'm surprised that a problem like faulty memory sockets can be cured in software at all.

> I meant that even when I got a working board, it was still a useless system due to it's
> unfinished drivers and such. That problem they can fix over time, and it seems they are
> making progress.

Ah yes, got it now. This was a misunderstanding on my part. Sorry.

> instead of asking he went to attack.

Yes, as if you had seen the question whether you have the required permission as less an attack than stating the assumption that you have it.

> When I said he should stop that because it is untrue another AmigaOS user popped up
> and started to attack me.

What incident are you referring to here? It is certainly not the djrikki one.

Back to topic: Would be cool if a team member could confirm whether Sam440 support is actualy planed or not.
The Sam440 is obviously rather weak, but also has a not too high absolute pricetag, hence I would welcome a port to it. For non demanding things it could make a small, low wattage 100% silent machine.