MorphOS on Sam460
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    Addendum:

    > "the release of MorphOS for Sam, [...] tentatively, should be 3.6 sometime during 2014."
    > https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9691&forum=3&start=9

    From Amedia Computer:

    "MorphOS [...] effectively ported on Sam460 motherboards [...] will be available with the 3.6 version of it, which should be out in the second quarter of 2014"
    http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=755183
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6969
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    Can I pay MOS BOXED EDITION and pay additionally to alpha test SAM460ex version?
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    How can I pay for boxed MOS and be able to be included in test of SAM460ex version? NOt a guru but would love it, free, under NDA
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    vox wrote:
    Can I pay MOS BOXED EDITION and pay additionally to alpha test SAM460ex version?


    You cant. We dont sell beta tester membership, we dont sell boxed editions and releases are available if/when they are available.
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    True dat?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152119628014295&set=a.10151350509969295.503216.847479294&type=1&theater
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    vox wrote:
    True dat?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152119628014295&set=a.10151350509969295.503216.847479294&type=1&theater


    These are special edition boxes we sometimes give out on shows - you cannot purchase them otherwise.
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    Update:

    > From Amedia Computer:
    > "MorphOS [...] effectively ported on Sam460 motherboards [...] will be available
    > with the 3.6 version of it, which should be out in the second quarter of 2014"
    > http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=755183
    > http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6969

    geit has clarified that the announced 2Q 2014 time frame is nothing more than a guess by Amedia Computer.

    Addendum:
    geit has revised his prior claim and now says that the announced 2Q 2014 time frame is based on estimates made by Frank "pega-1" Mariak and Mark "bigfoot" Olsen.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 02.01.2014 - 00:07 ]
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    These are special edition boxes we sometimes give out on shows - you cannot purchase them otherwise.



    I just got to get my hand on one of these!! :-D
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    Jim,
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    So I should have asked for a SAM460 for Christmas?
    Actually, I have an X1300 around here, but no.
    I'm happy with what I have.
    And even my iBook would mop the floor with a SAM from a performance perspective.

    I fully realize that Frank and Mark dealt with this to get rid of the "no new hardware available" claim.


    But is it really available new?

    https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/5-sam-motherboards

    http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=57

    http://www.vesalia.de/e_sam460ex%5B7179%5D.htm

    If it is being done to support hardware available as new, the whole exercise might be a colossal waste of time. Has anyone confirmed with Acube that there will be another production run of Sam460?
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    It is an under powered system, albeit available new.
    Personally, I look forward to PCI-E G5 support.
    A 2.0 GHz or higher G5 should readily spank an X1000, let alone a SAM460.
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    Jim,
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    It is an under powered system, albeit available new.


    But is it?

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    A 2.0 GHz or higher G5 should readily spank an X1000, let alone a SAM460.


    A 1.5Ghz G4 (Mac Mini, PowerMac, Powerbook etc) spanks an X1000. A 400mhz Powermac spanks a Sam460.

    [ Edited by redrumloa 29.12.2013 - 11:14 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > is it really available new?

    Relec
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    Comsystec


    I actually think red has a valid point.
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    takemehomegrandma schrieb:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > is it really available new?

    Relec
    AMIGAstore
    Comsystec


    I actually think red has a valid point.


    Out of stock doesn't necessarily mean a product is abandoned. As we all know Acube belongs to the little fish and doesn't do big production runs. I think they just sell their stock and wait and see for more demand. And if demand is still high enough for another production run, a new batch will be produced. Would be nice though to have an official word on that issue by Acube. Also, if the Sams will be available w/o OS4 then.
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    Yasu wrote:
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    These are special edition boxes we sometimes give out on shows - you cannot purchase them otherwise.



    I just got to get my hand on one of these!! :-D


    As much as I can appreciate a good fetish, surely this is the wrong kind of box?
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    >>> is it really available new?

    >> Relec
    >> AMIGAstore
    >> Comsystec

    > I actually think red has a valid point.

    I answered his question I quoted above my reply. You seem to refer to something else.
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    Andreas_Wolf,
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    I answered his question I quoted above my reply. You seem to refer to something else.


    Ok, so a couple fringe dealers have at least one board in stock and probably not more than 3 each. The manufacturer themselves do not and the biggest 2 resellers, Amigakit and Vesalia, do not. MorphOS will not be ready for several months at least, there are no guarantees these fringe resellers will have their 1-3 boards in stock by then.
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    Please can someone point me to MOS developers, I would like to prepay MOS and enter alpha test for SAM460ex version with X1550 card. Thanks. I am dread serious about it.
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    > Please can someone point me to MOS developers, I would like to prepay MOS and
    > enter alpha test for SAM460ex version

    See comment #104 for a MorphOS Team member's answer to your inquiry.
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    ausPPC wrote:

    As much as I can appreciate a good fetish, surely this is the wrong kind of box?


    THAT has to be the first off color joke I have seen here.

    @ VoX, I don't think they need testers for the SAM460 port.
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    @vox

    Just to repeat what everyone else have said so far:

    # The SAM460 port is not official, and it doesn't have a date for when it will be released. It's more a "proof of concept", just like the iMac G5 port: just to see if it's possible. That doesn't mean it will happen since there are plenty of things against such a port (otherwise it would have been released years ago). This doesn't mean that there WONT be a port to the SAM, but it's the policy of the MOS Team to not make promises. This mean, in a nutshell, that until the day it's released (if ever) it is as good as non existent.

    # I know you are impatient, but Amigaland really is the wrong place to be that. I'm also impatient! I want everything, and I want it now! But longing for something doesn't speed up development, even if you want it really REALLY bad.

    # If they say it can't be done the first time, it can't be done the second time either. Be patient.

    # Get yourself a G5 on Ebay. If you can find a version that works with your countries voltage then it's just a matter of changing the standard power chord, and violá, you have the fastest NG Amiga there is. Then you can even sell your SAM to someone who really wants it for AmigaOS 4 and even make a buck.

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    Actually, its fairly official.
    When will it be done...?

    Anyone care to offer the stock response to that (and no it isn't 'two weeks')?

    But it has been suggested repeatedly in the past that we refrain from purchasing hardware in anticipation of its support.
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    @Jim

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    But it has been suggested repeatedly in the past that we refrain from purchasing hardware in anticipation of its support.


    Really? That's news to me. I remember seeing SAMs with MOS working on it on very old pictures but it is telling that it isn't supported yet, despite that.

    On the other hand, I wouldn't buy a SAM anyway. Too expensive and too weak. I think even the AOS 4 fans would think so too if they could use used Macs like we can.
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    Well, its a hard sell with G5s available.
    Frank had the SAM460 port on the back burner for awhile, as other projects were concurrent.
    But since he and Mark appear to like to juggle multiple simultaneous projects, I believe its moving forward.
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    @Jim

    It wouldn't surprise me if a SAM460 port will be available in quite the near future. BUT, since MOS Team doesn't like to promise this and that because sometimes things seems to work but in the end doesn't, it's a bad idea to make assumptions on anything that isn't spilled out: "Yes, this will be available".
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