Market research for new PowerPC system
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    feanor
    Posts: 104 from 2009/3/20
    Final results about the market research here:

    http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=100

    Quote from the blog -the interesting part-:

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    ... Actually, I just thought of an idea, there is another way that we might build a nice ppc board, but I think it will find even less interest: open-source hardware, donation based. Say, we do a bounty -or what even its legal term is- and each of us, donates an amount, until we reach the desirable amount. If we could get 500 people to donate 100e each -or more in some cases- we might reach the goal to design the board. Since the board design would be open, anyone could then produce it. If the goal is not reached in a specific amount of time, everyone gets their money back -or we leave it open until the money is raised. So, what say you all? It's the last thing that can be done I think. So, if you are really interested in the idea, please say so, if enough people second this, I'm sure something could be arranged.



    Perhaps even use Genesi's bounty system?

    COMMENT: The nice thing with that approach, is that the end design will be open. If the amount of people does not reach critical mass for a mass production -eg. 500- there might still be a few (100 or even less) people that may go for a small production scale and get the board of their dreams, albeit a bit more expensive! And if I would decide to drop out of the project for whatever reason, the design would be open for anyone to continue development on it. Actually, I wonder why didn't I think of that scheme before...

    [ Edited by feanor on 2009/11/11 11:29 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12085 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    >>> it just occured to me, that binaries with FPU code, will not be able to run on the e500
    >>> cores without some kind of real-time FPU code translation, with performance loss.

    >> Exactly, though only true for e500v2 (and before), which the P1 (and P2) series has.

    > I just realized that for backwards compatibility, perhaps P1022 is not the best case,
    > though attractive overall. It would need some serious work on the FPU real-time
    > translation, and I can't even estimate the impact of that.

    It seems this didn't hold back some people from working on a combined m68k/PPC expansion board for the Amiga 3000 and 4000, using the single-core version of the QorIQ P1022, which is the P1013, as its 1.0 GHz PPC CPU:

    http://www.ultimateppc.nl

    Close-up of the prototype board shows the QorIQ P1013 at 800 MHz:
    http://www.ultimateppc.nl/img/uppc_reva_devboard_g2_20120507.jpg

    As you said, a Power Architecture CPU with an e500v2 core isn't likely to be a good choice for hardware that's wished to provide backwards compatibility with WarpOS/PowerUP binaries or even compatibility with MorphOS or OS4.

    Statements with respect to this taken from http://www.ultimateppc.nl/faq.php :

    "Q: Will the PowerPC run AmigaOS4.x / MorphOS / etc. ?
    A: We hope so! We will work actively with any developer to get these OSes supported on the UltimatePPC.

    Q: Will the PowerPC CPU be supported in WarpUP / PowerUp under the Classic 3.x OS versions?
    A: That would be awesome. It will be a very difficult task because for this to work as we would need to have a compatible kernel that runs on the UltimatePPC. The PowerUp / WarpUP kernel is closed source and not available to us and we would need to work around the slight differences in architecture. We would love to see this If you have voodoo coding skills, know how and want to put in serious effort please let us know.
    "
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12085 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    > a Power Architecture CPU with an e500v2 core isn't likely to be a good choice for
    > hardware that's wished to provide backwards compatibility with WarpOS/PowerUP
    > binaries or even compatibility with MorphOS or OS4.

    Confirmed by Piru:
    http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=694126

    ...and other OS developers:
    http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=820157
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6389#86088
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12085 from 2003/5/22
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    > what happened?

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6640&forum=11
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1217 from 2003/6/17
    I'd buy a new PPC motherboard for $300 US, assuming the MorphOS Team said they'd get MorphOS running on it. Otherwise, I'll stick to my G5 and wait for x64 MorphOS.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1217 from 2003/6/17
    duplicate..delete

    [ Edited by TheMagicM 04.11.2015 - 16:52 ]
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